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Games At-a-Glance: PS3 Quality
For the second bite-sized installment of our series of games industry data, Edge and Electronic Entertainment Design and Research take a look at the overall critical ratings of PS3's games library.
Again, we ask if someone walked into a store and blindly purchased a PS3 game, what are the chances that the game would boast a rating of 85 percent according to game reviewers?
From 2006 through 2008, 17 percent, or 36 games for PS3 have scored 85 percent or higher. Sixty-five games, or 30 percent of PS3's games, have scored 65 percent or below.
Previously, we reported that the year-older Xbox 360 lays claim to 48 games over 85 percent, or 13 percent of its library. Thirty-eight percent of games, or 136 games have received a 65 or lower on Microsoft's system.
Next time, we'll take a look at the Nintendo Wii.
Note: Special Edition SKUs have been removed so that multi-SKU platform titles are not counted twice (I.E. Guitar Hero: World Tour has 3 SKUs on the Xbox 360).
Click on to the next page to see EEDAR's system for handling review scores.
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Just another article based on some self-proclaimed expert group to do one thing... rile up the fanboys on both sides of the fence.
Like many of you, I have all three current systems as well as most of the older ones. And from my experience, this article is bs. While the PS3 has finally started to get its act together, it was a hard and rocky road to get here. It is nice to finally know that when you buy a software title for the PS3, that not only will it look good (for a magazine shot), but that the frame rate will be reasonable and the gameplay not choppy. For a company that proclaimed "that the next generation started when they said so" as well as "the most powerful console ever", it sure gets its butt kicked a lot by the XBOX 1.5. Hmm.
Now if they would just fix the buggy wireless controllers that likes to go catatonic in the most inappropriate of gaming times...
PC > PS3 > Xbox360
And that's just the truth of it based on versatility, hardware capability AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: FUNCTIONALITY (Yea, red ring of death, I'm talking to you) and,. of course, potential.
Neither console will ever have the editing power, FPS potential, versatility for editing, modding and FREE downloads (yea, xbox 360 I'm looking at you) online as the PC does.. and when they do... they'll be PCs!
Granted, 360 has more games specifically made for itself than anyone else, but when you consider they only have a handful of Xbox games that work on it (300 at last count and most are trash).. vs. the PS3 has the entire PS2 library that works on it.. That pretty much turns that argument upside down.
Not to mention the tech specs of the PS3 are black and white and better.. period. Emote chip, Blue ray, faster processing, HD capability (which the elite just caught up to.. but you had to buy a new system...), etc.
Now.. I have a 360 elite.. so why would I buy it if I am downing it?
I love gaming :)
But I also know the truth of things.. so be a fanboi of a console if you want, but look at the real stats before you try to tout one vs. the other.
And.. ratings can be SERIOUSLY flawed.. look at what they rated the insanely boring and broken title: Force Unleashed? I mean, no aiming for push? Jumping that reminded me of a 8 bit console, clipping that was so bad it made a couple of the boss fights ridiculously easy? A broken canon for the series? ANd yet it got stellar reviews.. I didn't even play it for two levels before I took it back just to get rid of it. What a POS.
So take reviews with a grain of salt.
"But I also know the truth of things.. so be a fanboi of a console if you want, but look at the real stats before you try to tout one vs. the other."
and what real stats have you included in your idiotic post? and '>' signs are not stats. Shoo, back to Ign.com with you!
I think he took a wrong turn at Eurogamer.
Hey geniuses that wrote this.. maybe you should take into account the games that ARE NOT MULTIPORT because they are made for the less capable XBOX 360 in almost all cases.. the ones that are multiport from Sony are the ones that make well over 85% on both systems.
But a straight port from the 360 is just bringing both of them down... they are the ones with shovel ware... greed makes them port their crap to the PS3 also.
Personally, I have both the Elite and the PS3 and I can say I enjoy them both. But the games made with the capabilities of the PS3 in mind are always 90% or above.. name one that isn't? That's 100% my friend..
True, when made specificallly for the PS3 it tends to shine much more. I tend to play my 360 more, but do enjoy the PS3 Exclusives. I'm probably 60%-40% between the two.....
You also have to think, how many of you out there have more than 38 games on your PS3 and/or 48 on your 360? I'm a pretty large consumer of games for someone with a high demanding full time job, and I only have 26 (PS3). Now I know there will be A few of you out there throwing around huge numbers, particularly 360 owners (extra 18 months) but really 38 and 48 is a fair amount of games.
I just can't wait until Onlive (or it's successor) gets rid of this platform bullshit.
Neither system has 38 games worth owning yet. I have all of the platinum hits that were worth owning on Xbox and PS2 (not into racing or sports.. can't imagine why anyone would be) and all of the new titles thare are 90% or higher and I only have about 40 games total from owning both the Elite and the PS3 and having zero duplicate titles.
Good point. But do you have to own all of those at the same time or just have bought that many over time? If I don't count XBLA games I'm probably around the 65-70 games or so over the last 40 months that I've purchased, but I currently own only about 8-10 (half of them are damn guitar games though, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Riddick, Sonic tennis, Fallout 3, Oblivion, and a few others make up the rest). And I trade my old games in too so that covers some of the cost.
That's a good point. I'm a pack rat, I keep mine unless they are crap, which has only happened once this generation (Splinter Cell: Double Agent). About PSN, XBLA is a good point, I'm up to about 25 PSN games. However since the majority of those games are $15 or less I usually don't think twice about buying them. 43 of my 51 games (PSN included) are 75+ (meta critic).
I prefer the PS3's exclusives as opposed to the 360's. The PS3's line-up for 2009 is more desirable than the 360's.
There's nothing on the 360 this year that's got me pumped.
>>>> prefer the PS3's exclusives as opposed to the 360's. The PS3's line-up for 2009 is more desirable than the 360's.
There's nothing on the 360 this year that's got me pumped.<<<<<<<
So far I agree. Supposedly Microsoft has more cards to show later in the year. For this year thought it's hard to beat Killzone 2. Fantastic quality. I generally prefer my 360, but this one brought me right back to my PS3
word is; the ps3 price cut has just been revealed.
80gb for $299
160gb, back compatable + resistance 2 for $399.
Also, talk of some bundled blu-rays.
(I do note that it's april fools, so my source might be hilariously pranking me: but will assume not for now..)
Highly doubtful, but we shall see.
Important thing is the number of good games in the end, and that's in favor of the 360 with 48 vs 36.
Nick,
I appreciate the comments.
Just a few reminders.
1. EEDAR pulls review scores from the same number of outlets that other meta-review sites pull from. We pull from over 650 critics.
2. Quality scores decline over time. If you can reach me, I can give you the statistics on how much the average review scores decline, per month from original release date. EEDAR uses a static date for their review scores. Anything after that date, the scores do not count (I'll have to check, but I believe its 3 months). Trust me when I say that this makes a dramatic differences. Critics tend to be harsher over time...or maybe the bar gets raised?
I've owned a PS3 since about 3 months after the UK launch and, in that time, have only found 5 format-exclusive games worth hanging on to: Everybody's Golf: World Tour, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction & Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. Having said that, despite having a software library almost twice the size of the PS3, I've only kept 8 Xbox 360 console-exclusive titles: Fable II, Forza 2, Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Halo 3, Mass Effect, PGR4 and Viva Pinata. The clincher is always the third-party games but given that the superior code is almost always on the Xbox 360, I'd have to favour the Microsoft console. Frankly though, there's not a great deal in it when it comes to comparing the quality of software between the two consoles.
I think if the PS3 were priced like the Wii, Wipeout HD would be a reason to own the console. Too bad that only exists in bizarro world. :(
Brian
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I agree there's not much in it. Just for clarity's sake, Viva Pinata, Gears Of War and Mass Effect are also on PC.
"Edge is Xbox biased obviously!
Killzone receiving bad score, LBP given a perfect 10 and now this! Oh wait..."
Yes, but wait until they give a really mainstream Sony game (a shooter) a good score :)
I assume some of the games rated are multi-platforms (and there's a lot of them), and have the same score regardless of the console. A similar comparison for exclusive titles might be more useful.
I think EDGE would come under anti-Sony allegations(again) and forum madness if they did an article on exclusives comparisons.
So probably later this week then.
Killzone 2 received a high average. My opinion is that the game deserved a 85% no more , no 70% certainly no 90%+
Edge is consistent and giving good reviews ..
Yep, having finished KZ2 single player and dabbled some with it online I wouldn't give it over an 80% myself (I actually prefer Resistance 2 online). The controls are sub-par (even after the patch), the camera is set at the character's chest for some bizarre reason and the single player is predictable and forgettable.
KZ2 is going to be one of those games where game journalists start admitting they over-rated it after about 6 months - like they did with the last Zelda game. This will be easier for them to do once they realize they were bullied by a very small number of fanboys, as the sales likely won't break 400K again this month in the US, being outsold by the much lower profile Halo Wars and showing up around #6-8 in the top ten game sales for March. Yet another PS3 exclusive that failed to change the dynamics of this race and didn't break 1 million after its first full month in the US.
The story for this gen has been set in stone. Wii runs away with it, while 360 makes a respectably strong second place showing and PS3 plummets to an embarrassing third place for the once dominant Playstation brand.
"The story for this gen has been set in stone. Wii runs away with it, while 360 makes a respectably strong second place showing and PS3 plummets to an embarrassing third place for the once dominant Playstation brand."
Maybe if you take the US market in isolation and maybe if you don't factor in likely price cuts to the PS3. I think it's more likely to go Wii, PS3 and 360 internationally and in the US Wii in first place with the 360 and PS3 pretty much neck and neck. Remember the 360 was being outsold month in month out by the vastly more expensive PS3 until MS panicked and cut the price. Admittedly it wasn't by a great margin but it was enough to spook MS as they probably realised that if it could outsell the 360 at those price differentials imagine what it'd do if the PS3 got cheaper.
The PS3 outsold 360 for only a few months in '08 and only by a handful of units each month. You're forgetting that MS can continue to cut the price of 360 every time PS3 does a price cut as it came out earlier and was designed more effectively to realize cost savings (having learned from their first mistakes with the original x-box). MS could cut the price of 360 today if MS wanted, but they're not going to leave money on the table if they don't have to.
I'm not taking the US market in isolation although it is, by far, the most important market in the industry. 360 outsells PS3 every month in the EU too. Japan is the only market where PS3 outsells 360 consistently and that market is completely irrelevant to home consoles this generation, so it doesn't make up the gap in the rest of the world.
I'm surprised you took issue with this quote as it's become the conventional wisdom that this is the way the generation will end in about 2 years and is hardly controversial. PS3 will always be the most expensive console and there's no way it can close the gap in the little time remaining this generation. Doesn't mean it's doomed to failure, but it does mean that Sony really dropped the ball to lose so much market share to a relative newcomer in the industry who even had such a high profile quality issue. Imagine what this gen would have looked like if 360 didn't suffer from RRoD - Sony probably would have already pulled the plug on PS3 at this stage.
"The PS3 outsold 360 for only a few months in '08 and only by a handful of units each month."
By few months you mean every month from February until the 360 price cut bar one?
"You're forgetting that MS can continue to cut the price of 360 every time PS3 does a price cut as it came out earlier and was designed more effectively to realize cost savings (having learned from their first mistakes with the original x-box). MS could cut the price of 360 today if MS wanted, but they're not going to leave money on the table if they don't have to."
But the point is that when the PS3 hit it's sweet spot it'll sell in massive numbers. There are after all 60 or so million PS2 owners still sitting on the fence. Is the reason why the XBOX is selling because it's so cheap or because the PS3 is so expensive? That's what we don't really know at this point.
"I'm not taking the US market in isolation although it is, by far, the most important market in the industry. 360 outsells PS3 every month in the EU too."
No it doesn't, in the UK it might just but only after 2 price cuts. We can't really tell because numbers aren't released by Chart Track. The EU taken as a whole is firmly PS3 territory.
"Japan is the only market where PS3 outsells 360 consistently and that market is completely irrelevant to home consoles this generation, so it doesn't make up the gap in the rest of the world."
That's utter nonsense.
"I'm surprised you took issue with this quote as it's become the conventional wisdom that this is the way the generation will end in about 2 years and is hardly controversial. PS3 will always be the most expensive console and there's no way it can close the gap in the little time remaining this generation."
Are you Sony? Because you really have no idea if that little nugget you've pulled out of your arse is gold or some of the brown stuff. There's about, what? 7 years left in this generation? That's a long time dude.
"Doesn't mean it's doomed to failure, but it does mean that Sony really dropped the ball to lose so much market share to a relative newcomer in the industry who even had such a high profile quality issue. Imagine what this gen would have looked like if 360 didn't suffer from RRoD - Sony probably would have already pulled the plug on PS3 at this stage."
They didn't with the PS2 when it had its problems but they did sort it out comparatively quicker than MS have taken with theirs.
@arron-
A) PS3 outsold 360 five months last year for a grand total of about 300K units (combined) - the 360 closed that gap before the Holiday Season and built up the lead even further in Nov.-Dec.
B) 360 has to be outselling PS3 in Europe because Sony's and MS's numbers wouldn't add up otherwise. We know Japanese sales and NA sales and the "rest of the world" isn't enough to worry about, so it is easy to extrapolate that the balance comes from the EU and that gap is about 2 million systems in 360's favor. While it may end up that entire shift is from the UK, I doubt that is the case. EU offsets Sony's advantage in Japan, leaving the US as the deciding market.
C) If you follow the weekly Japanese hardware charts it should be easy to see that Japan is irrelevant to the global hardware market. PS3 just broke 3 million there in 2-1/2 years and 360 1 million with an extra year. Japan makes up less than 16% of global home console sales (I'm not counting handhelds which are a different market and do very well in Japan), which is why ALL of the Japanese publishers/developers themselves have publically voiced concern about their rapidly disintegrating market and have engaged with the Western market generally, and 360 specifically, to offset the losses on their home turf.
D) Don't drink the Kool-Aid. While some of these systems may still be on shelves at Wal-mart 7 years from now, this generation will likely end in 2011 (and certainly no later than 2012) when at least MS and Nintendo release new consoles. Developers/Publishers ALWAYS migrate to the newest hardware, which is precisely what you see with the PS2 - which is technically still on the market, but only has kiddie games, a few sports games and movie tie-in releases each year. "Hard-Core" games haven't been released on that system in over a year and the same pattern will repeat next gen. This generation will end within 3 years.
E) Of course this is just speculation, but when PS2 suffered its quality issues the internet isn't what it is today which made it easier for Sony to cover-up the severity of the problem. There's a reason I used the word "probably" in that portion of the post as it was simply speculation on my part and a reflection on how poorly Sony has performed this generation when it couldn't even take advantage of such a major blunder from it's competitor.
a) Yes that's what I said.
b) Yes they had a head start and for a while now the PS3 has been outselling the 360 and closing in on that lead.
c) Japan is a important market both as a driver of cultural trends in the region and creatively. Japanese developers have been engaging with western market for DECADES. Seriously mate video gaming did exist before Microsoft came into the market.
d) Here's an interesting factiod, it was actually poisoned Flavor-Aid that the Manson cult drank and not Kool-Aid, if you're going to insult someone with a pop culture reference at least make sure that you get it right.. The last gen is still up and running and will be until the PS2 stops production and I think on the software front Guitar Hero, Rock Band and Tomb Raider have been released on it in the last 6 months and I think Martial Arts Capoeira, Motorstorm and Persona 4 are all due in Q2.
e) Yes speculation passed off as fact, shut up.
When I clearly label something as speculation how can you accuse me of passing it off as fact? I notice you start insulting and/or become rude to people every time you lose an argument, Arron.
"Don't drink the Kool-Aid" is a common expression in America and means not to buy into corporate hype - it is not an insult in any way.
Your listing of "hard-core" PS2 titles just further illustrates my point. 3 "hard-core" games in the past year does not make a compelling game library. The PS2 has been essentially dead for over a year now and all these current gen systems will be dead (from a software standpoint) within 4 years making it impossible for PS3 to catch up. Madden released on the original x-box last year - did that mean x-box was still viable as late as last year?
"When I clearly label something as speculation how can you accuse me of passing it off as fact? I notice you start insulting and/or become rude to people every time you lose an argument, Arron."
You stated that it was common knowledge that this gen has 2 years left, it's not common knowledge it's internet gossip and speculation. It actually contradicts what MS and Sony have said about current gen support.
""Don't drink the Kool-Aid" is a common expression in America and means not to buy into corporate hype - it is not an insult in any way."
Yes I know all about it and it has its routes in the Manson cult mass suicide where the cult members committed suicide by drinking Flavour-Aid that was laced with poison. People mistake it with Kool-Aid and it's not used as a mean to highlight that one should not buy into corporate hype, it's used as an insult to suggest that the person you're directing it at is an unthinking fanboy. Funny how you've chastised me for using insults when you're as guilty as the next man for doing the same. On a point of order I freely admit to insulting people, but you're wrong I don't insult people when I'm loosing an argument, I insult people when they make dumb ass statements.
"Your listing of "hard-core" PS2 titles just further illustrates my point. 3 "hard-core" games in the past year does not make a compelling game library."
It's still getting hardcore software support so therefore it's still going. The last gen isn't over until the PS2 stops production and stops getting software released.
"The PS2 has been essentially dead for over a year now"
That's funny I seem to recall it being well and truly alive, still being produced, still being advertised and still getting software released, it even has the new silent hill remake announced for it.
" and all these current gen systems will be dead (from a software standpoint) within 4 years making it impossible for PS3 to catch up. "
Hang on I thought you said 2 years? Actually in this very same post you said 2 years?!?! You can't even be consistent in the SAME post, tell me why should we take your opinion seriously?
"Madden released on the original x-box last year - did that mean x-box was still viable as late as last year?"
No because it was killed by MS so they could rush the 360 out, it's just a bonus that Madden was released for it. Also according to your own definition a sports game doesn't count does it?
You see this is what we call handing you your arse on a plate- Tuck in.
Since trying to have a discussion with you is simply talking in circles I'll drop this after this post. However, I wanted to clarify that I do believe the next gen consoles will arrive probably in 2011 and definitely by 2012 from MS and Nintendo. The reason I said SOFTWARE will be around 4 years is that you always have the types of games we've been talking about (sports, movie tie-in's, etc.) for about 2 years after the consoles have been replaced by their next gen versions. There is no contradiction in that.
Yes there is because a) You said sports games and movie tie-ins don't count and b) there are still hard core games being produced on PS2.
Holy crap that was exhausting just to read.
I would have to side with Grognard (naturally) on most of what was discussed. You both offer valid points, but I do see this generation proper ending by 2012 (I can see the next box coming out by Holiday 2011 with Halo 4 as a launch title) with the imminent release of the 720 and WiiHD and the PS4 by the same time the following year. I do think that the PS3 won't have the legs the PS2 had (I used past-tense on purpose I mean c'mon, the PS2 had a great run and it will soon come to an end) just based solely on install base. If they're looking at 40-60 million PS3 worldwide by 2012, that's not nearly enough consoles to justify too much investment by publishers after the next consoles release. 100 million sure, not 50. And I am pulling that number out of my "arse", but it's also an educated guess (and I think I'm actually being generous) based on the PS3's performance so far. It could completely take off at some point, but this far into this generation's cycle, I think it's just a bit too late for anything remotely near PS2-like sales. And I disagree that there's 60 million PS2 owners out there still waiting to move on. They could have moved onto the 360/Wii or are finished with gaming altogether. And I'm sure a percentage albeit small, bought multiple PS2's with all the different incarnations, re-dos, and dead PS2s over the years. Bottom line and I think we all can agree on this, Sony will have an interesting decision to make if the PS3's sales don't take off soon in regards to how quickly they release the PS4 (and how much they attempt to support the PS3 post PS4). I think they can call this gen a wash and better prepare for the next run. You can't win 'em all.
Done lots of multi-core programming recently have you?
Do you ever give it a rest?
What does multi-core programming have to do with any of this? Did you mistakenly post in the wrong thread?
These numbers aren't really that accurate. They're not using metacritic for these numbers (which is at least arguably accurate).
360-597 games total
PS3-310 games total
360-60 games at 85 or higher (10%)
PS3-44 games at 85 or higher (14%)
360-238 games 65 and lower (39%)
PS3-97 games 65 and lower (31%)
I've done a detailed breakdown of the 3 console's good/average/bad percentages from this gen and one from last gen but I'm waiting for EDGE to be done with their stories to post it.
And don't worry, I'm not putting those numbers up cause I'm a 360 fanboy (obviously since the numbers favor the PS3 which makes sense when you look at the GCN's good/bad game ratio from last gen but more on that later) but to just put up stats based on numbers attainable by anyone.
Also, keep in mind that these stats are for retail games. It wouldn't be a fair comparison if we included games available via digital distribution. Most digital Wii games are re-releases. Xbox 360 has a greater number of XBL/XNA titles developed by smaller developers, which obviously tend to get lower review scores.
If you want to do a side-by-side comparison against EEDAR data, I can give you the parameters we used for these data sets (we don't include special editions, re-releases, etc. etc.)
Jesse2040
I have also noticed that games’ scores tend to decline over time (KZ2’s initial average was a high 90 then it tapered off to the low 90s over time). It could be due to a number of things, initial hype reviews, early exclusive reviews that were landed in a “deal” with the publisher, etc. But that’s another discussion for another day. Three months does seem reasonable.
That’s interesting that digital games aren’t counted. It may not be fair to count them, but the line between digitally distributed games and games released at retail will start to blur (Portal: Still Alive, Battlefield 1943, Watchmen to name a few) and they’ll have to be accepted as “equals” at some point. I do think though that community games should not be counted, especially since many of them are just apps (the massage “game”, the ocean one, the fish tank etc.) and some are just terrible.
I don’t need side-by-side comparisons against EEDAR data as you offered (I trust the numbers, but was wondering why so many games were missing from the list which you’ve answered), but the statistics on how much the average review scores decline would be interesting to look at.
Thanks for the reply and the info. Much appreciated.
Excellent points, Nick. While the handful of higher rated games on 360 may be a slight factor, I think the biggest reason for MS' success is the significantly larger game library. This means that a gamer is most likely to find games to their liking on 360. There are many games that fall in the 66-84 score range which consumers love playing/owning, and this makes up the bulk of the library for each system giving the advantage to 360.
Sony really dropped the ball with their difficult architecture, awful SDK's and even worse tech support to third party developers under the assumption that they would all stay with the Playstation brand this gen out of habit or loyalty. While Sony has strong first (and second) party studios, none of their franchises approach the level of success a Mario or Zelda game does for Nintendo, which has relied on First Party for several generations now.
Very good points on the 84-66 rated games.
Over the last two generations the console leader tends to have the most games, but also the most lowly rated and highly rated games as well. But, the PS2 was able to hold a respectable average virtually identical to the 360's 90+ scores, 85+ scores, 84-66 scores, and 65-0 scores which would go along with the traditional console score averages. The Wii is an exception and I think we'll see in the next week or so when EDGE and EEDAR releases the Wii's "numbers at a glance" article. They break the mold in a couple different ways, and in ways you may not think.
If you look at the last two generations they are pretty similar with 1 console out of the 6 straying from the norm. The difference is rather significant, almost worrying for us gamers. Well, maybe not most of us anyway. ^^
There's nearly twice as many game for the 360, in total. What gives, Sony?
I surmise that if there were not so many more 360 consoles out there, there would not be as many companies anxious to release a 'me-too' game title for the system. Popularity has it's downfalls. You get a bit of sand in that hot dog at the sunny beach.
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Edge is Xbox biased obviously!
Killzone receiving bad score, LBP given a perfect 10 and now this! Oh wait...
Awh, come on, don't pick on them like that . . . . Why the heck do ya think all of us Xbox 360 fans like coming to this site, anyway, . . . . . 'cause of the doughnuts and coffee?
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I just took a closer look at your avatar. I used to think it was Keith Jardine from the UFC, but now I think it might be Old Ben Kenobi (or Obe One Kenobi, one of the two I can never tell them apart).
Whoa, whoa, whoa. easy there, tiger. That's Obi WAN Kenobi, not Obi ONE Kenobi.
Honestly, some people..............
Oops, that joke backfired. Technically, it's Obi-Wan Kenobi with a dash but who's keeping track?