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By Rob Crossley

November 11, 2008

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Bethesda has confirmed that the Japanese edition of Fallout 3 will be subjected to content cuts ahead of its release.

Blood content will undergo moderation, according to Bethesda (tranlated press release), and the game's 'Power of the Atom' side-quest will no longer feature the option to detonate a nuclear bomb. The name of a weapon has also changed as it was deemed "inappropriate" for the country.

Fallout 3, in recent months, has been familiar with the policies of cntent censorship. Two weeks ago the game's trailers were requested for removal by the ESRB, and the critically acclaimed RPG undertook a major toning-down to be granted Australia's delicate MA15+ rating after the game was refused classificaton there. Microsoft had also announced that the game will not be shipping to India, citing 'cultural sensitivities'.

The game is sheduled to launch in Japan this December.

You can click here to read Fallout 3 lead designer Emil Pagliarulo's keynote on the issue of censorship, and here to read Thom Dinsdale's approach to the issue.

Source via Kotaku.

AaronMC's picture

@ 4th Variety: Being tolerant is not easy. We've had multiple assassinations of important people (e.g. Kennedy, Martin Luther King) and even more assassination attempts. We had the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 (Although, on the 9/11 front, we are doing very poorly and are violating our own ideals with places like Guantanamo Prison. We are not without our own blame and should be ashamed). We still allow the kind of people who perpetrated those crimes to openly discuss and support their ideas.

I also don't think that Germany is doing well with its "Intolerance has limits" creed. It's incorrect to think that by outlawing public discussion of the ideas, you have eliminated the ideas. The intolerant racists are still there. Still plotting to overthrow the government. Still hating Jews, blacks, Gypsies, Catholics, and whoever the hell else they hate. You are fine. If anything, Germany makes Nazism MORE high-profile because of its crusade against it. We have no such crusade in the US, and as such, Nazism is more like a circus side show, where ordinary people marvel at the freaks.

I also disagree that the current Republic does not allow a fall into dictatorship while the old republic did. The old republic fell because Germany was a terrible place to live at the time. The Nazi party promised progress and economic stability. Germany could fall into a totalitarian state again, today, if the environment made that likely.

What makes that unlikely is that people like you exist. Why bother making political parties illegal? They would never get elected. We have multiple racist parties in the US, all trying to get elected. Sure, they get a few votes, but they never get anywhere NEAR being elected. Having a law against them would be redundant.

I also appreciate Germany's position and the magnitude of Holocaust. If the US had had a President Hitler who went on a killing-spree, I appreciate that it would be hard to allow that backwater yokel to continue spewing a message of hate and racism. I can only hope, that if we were in that situation, we would continue to let him spew his hate, because that's the right answer. It's not racism that killed all the black people. It was ignorance, fear, and President Hitler. Not me. Not him. And not his ideas.

It was not the constitution and the government that allowed Nazism, it was the German people. And likewise, it is now the German people that make a fall into Nazism or some other form of extremism very, very unlikely.

On Napoleon: Yeah. What you described sounds like a pretty standard megalomaniac to me. They were all like that.

Oh I agree about video games. German law appears to have little precedent for direct video game censorship, although there are politicians who are trying. Remember, I never attacked Germany for its video game regulation, I only used Germany's repression of anything Nazi as an example to illustrate my dissatisfaction with Japan's laws.

"I don't understand any of it.

It's like Germany and its laughable laws against anything Nazi."

Still, Germany is a good example of indirect censorship with a healthy smattering of attempts at direct censorship. For example, In 2004, the Munich County Court ordered all copies of "Manhunt" to be confiscated.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/08/04/german-video-game-laws-explained

And by indirect, I mean that under German law, if a video game is denied a rating, it cannot just be only sold to adults, any and ALL exposure to it must be restricted to adults only. This is indirect censorship because if a game is denied a rating, it will not sell. It must be sold under the counter and only offered if directly asked. You make it sound bad that game companies would rather change the game to "sell to children."

No, not to children, to ANYONE. If you are not allowed to even advertise the game in plain sight, it will, 100%, fail. They do not directly censor, but they make it impossible to succeed, thus making the rating system a de facto censorship board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespr%C3%BCfstelle_f%C3%BCr_jugendgef%C3...

savagehenry's picture

Censorship!! This is from the Country that gave the world such enlightened and cheery media such "Ichi the Killer" and the "Rape Man" comics. Some of the best and most violent Sci Fi horror comes from Japan, never short of gratuitous sex and violence. Yet they won’t allow a grown adult to see pubic hair or to see a mushroom cloud in Fallout 3.

Was this a problem when COD4 was released?

A nuclear device is detonated in an urban area, sucking your crew mate out of the back of a helicopter to his death. Downing you bird and forcing you to trudge through fallout on the ground until help arrives, I’m glad we have such hypocrisy and double standards in the world.

Okay fair play, The Nuke side quest I can sort of understand given Japanese history. But hang on just a minute, the game is set where? Washington, not Hiroshima? It’s not like you see the blast wave hitting all those people and human bodies getting eviscerated in front of you eyes.
It's a mature rated game, if you going to get offended by content... Don’t play it!!

4thVariety's picture

*Minor Spoiler*

in CoD4 the event is portrayed as a tragedy and it sends a clear message about how wrong the use of nuclear weapons is.

Fallout 3 gloats over the fact that you destroy the town. There is not even a sense of world gone to madness in this scene. Fallout is just plainly showboating how cool it is and btw, here are the keys to the penthouse as a reward.

So those two nukes are two different things entirely.

savagehenry's picture

Not really, having played the side mission in question, there is nothing morally ambiguous about it. You living in a world that's already been destroyed but a nuclear war. So what difference does it make if you set of another off.

I find COD4 more offensive in terms of the lazy stereotyping that all Muslim states are on the brink of failing and they all have maniacal nut job with nuclear weapons waiting in the wings. okay it makes for a entertaining western game. But they surely aren’t going to flocking to the shops in Iraq to go buy it.

The difference is Fallout 3 is off Sci Fi fiction, but COD and other FPS are based events that either have or could happen. Either way neither of these games are in the exclusive club of having a game ending nuclear weapon in your inventory.

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Lets just put an example here: If the father of someone is murdered by a burglar using a hammer and then you see a movie where one of the characters dad gets killed by a burglar using a hammer, won't that bring you bad and sad memories? I mean is not your dad is not the same city and they probably won't show the dead body in the movie, you know what I mean?

We all know its a mature rated game and all, but companies have a social responsibility and more importantly a public image, nobody is forcing them to censor it but they do it out of respect and sensitivity for something that means a lot to not all but many Japanese people. I can't really speak on the COD4 subject but I thing the way it was handled, showing how bad a war is and the way they presented the nuclear detonation is a little different from Fallout 3 plus the name of the bomb itself was a clear reference to the ones used in Japan. PLUS its basically a side quest and one of the characters detonates the bomb as far as I know. So I'm guessing it wasn't as important to the story as it was on COD4.

Just take into account that Japan is not forcing these changes on Bethesda and that they are doing it by themselves cause, as the article points out it was considered "inappropriate".

savagehenry's picture

If my father had been beaten to death with a hammer I would have a completly different opinion about fictious violence in films. If that had been the case. I doubt very much if I would got to see it based on personal circumstance. However I wouldn't expect the movie company to either censor or cut said scene. If people want to see that, fair enough.

All this talk of social responsibilty, didn't really take in to consideration that people find violence entertaining or that fact that world we live in a brutal and violent world. There are certainly much darker moments in human history that would probably cause more offence than dropping a couple of bombs on Japan.

London had plenty of bombs dropped on us and plenty of people died in London during the blitz. How about we talk about Dresden, Bomber Harris and the Dam Buster and they devastation. How funny it is, out of "respect for our war dead" we glorify war through computer games such and Call of Duty, Medal of Honour, Brother in Arm these are 3 out of hundreds, a whole genre of games had grown out of World War 2. Not just including FPS, what about all the fight Sims that put you over Europe in 1940-45. B29 flying fortress you could actually take part in daylight raids and drop bomb on factories, now history shows us how ineffective daylight raid and the Blitz really were and how it was more about effect the moral of the people than destroying building and infrastructure.

Obviously Bethesda has to be mindful of peoples sensibilities, censorship is not the answer though. In terms of making a game, set in a nuclear wasteland, then to stopping themselves showing a nuclear device in name or through it destructive power, In my opinion isn't even comparable to being there and feeling all the skin on you body been burnt off or even comparable to living with the aftermath of such destruction and devastation, maybe that’s half the problem.

What this does illustrate to me, is that Bethesda is more concerned that offending what little sensibilities the Japanese have about Hiroshima and Nagasaki because there going to loose money, that the bottom line. They want there game to be popular in Japan because the market is huge, obviously they don’t jeopardise that, but that the same time you have to look at other Edgy and slightly controversial titles . It has absolutely nothing to do with respect, it’s all about the money. In fact if I was a Japanese gamer I would be more offended that a company taking the decision and not giving you the right to individual choice.

If were talking about devastasy and cost of human life and not to mention the complete intollerance and lack of respect we have for one another. "Shock and Awe" the American response to 9/11 is an really good example. All those greedy Haliburton Executives didn't much care and respect then civilians caught in that crossed fire when they sold all that ordinance to the US military .

It's hasn’t stopped companies who produce games like Modern Warfare FPS such as ArmA, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4 or Full Spectrum Warrior to name but a few, for the entertainment of our children. Conditioning them into think that War is accept part of Human. All those games spring to mind given there set in a middle eastern theatre, so what of respect to the inocent Iraqi or Afghani caught in the crossfire ?.

So someone dropped an atomic bomb.. the Japanese are certainly not in an exclusive club. Take a look in to the history of the residents of the Atoll Islands in the south pacific, I'm sure they'll have a thing of two to say about the America Nuclear weapon program.,

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are example of that should be learned from !! and that goes for all human tragedies. Censorship and barring the publc from horrible truths is not the answer. Confronting the truth though eduction is what is needed here.

AaronMC's picture

The example you raised is correct, I would be sad. But all I would do is not watch the movie. Other people would watch the movie. Opposing censorship is about maintaining a person's freedom to choose. One person finds it sad and chooses not to watch it, another person doesn't care and does watch it. It is wrong for the government to step in and limit that choice in any way.

I also don't think that companies have a social responsibility. They are not polluting the environment or destroying historical property. They are merely producing a form of entertainment. You are correct about the public image problem, I think. Public image is very important for these companies and that may have played a large part in the decision to remove the atomic bomb quest. Still, if I had been them, I would not have changed it. I would have stuck to my creative guns, as it were, and released the game as is.

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@ 4thVariety: As far as I understand it, if the Nazi-related material is classified as glorifying or otherwise "pro" Nazi, it is not just refused a rating, it is illegal. And it's exactly that classifcation that proves so problematic. By WHO'S authority is it classified as such? Who's moral compass is so flawless?

I did a search for "germany censorship" in Google. The results speak for themselves, I feel. I also think these refute your claim that the government doesn't care.
- http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/censor-nazi-net.html
- http://indymedia.nl/nl/2002/04/3362.shtml
- http://www.serendipity.li/cda.html#germany
- http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105213

And this site is dedicated to nothing but bad-mouthing Germany. I'd take this one with a grain of salt, though. Seems a bit radical, and all.
- http://www.germarrudolf.com/civil/index.html

And, importantly, it doesn't matter. Even if they're only censoring books that say Jews are vile and Hitler had it right, it's still censorship. Censorship, in ALL FORMS, is bad. We have wack-job neo-Nazis running all over the place and we seem to be doing alright.

@ German: By using oppressive practices to try and stamp out beliefs, it's a form of denial. Just teaching what is bad should be enough. If a government then bans it, they're effectively saying that the people are too terrible to fully ingest what is being taught and they must be restricted on top of the teachings. These aren't crimes. This isn't saying that shooting people is wrong and THEN having a law against it. These are beliefs.

And it doesn't make any sense to you? None?

If I want to buy Nazi memorabilia, that's my business. Allowing Nazi-related stuff does not, in any way, negate anti-Nazi teaching. Saying that you recognize and accept history means accepting the present ramifications of that history. You can't, in the the same breath, say "Oh yes. I understand it and accept it. GET IT AWAY, GET IT AWAY!" It cannot hurt you. It's not a gun. It's an idea, and evil and wrong or not, that's all it is. If you truly understood it, you'd look the devil in the eye and not blink.

And my comment about Japan is about them unable to handle something, not the entire game. Poor babies. Yes, it was a terrible event, but it happened a long time ago. Most of the people are dead. And the people who are still alive are very likely not playing computer games. In the USA, Gilbert Gottfried told a 9/11 joke less than three weeks after the attacks. Somehow, we made it through his joke of mass destruction just fine.

It's patently absurd to censor it. Why SHOULDN'T they be able to detonate a bomb? It's just a bomb. It's not like the game is titled "Little Boy." And even then, the likely minority that's so overly-sensitive that they can't take it shouldn't be the defining demographic for the entire country. If you don't like it. DON'T PLAY IT. There is no subject too sensitive. Nothing that is taboo. Free speech is free speech, warts and all.

savagehenry's picture

This goes for everyone. British, German, Spanish, Italian, French, Russian..

All off our countries at some point or another as become a victim of some sort of totalitarianism. Some of our countries it still exist today, you don't have to scratch to far under the surface to find that National Socailism (Nazism) is still very much alive and kicking.

It's like we have learnt nothing, man percecutes man, that's the bottom line. it's the whole damn human comedy in action. We are intollerant of one another and that's the bottom line. whether you are black, white, pink brown, Christian, Muslim or Jew. Killing each other gets us nowhere, it's stopping our evolution some would argue.

Peace, Pot and computer games.. that's all the world needs.

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Dear AronMC,

having some whack-job Nazis run around in your country might be amusing to your people. For Germans it is not. When a regime comes along killing 5 million of its own population in concentration camps for being different, then goes on to start an ethnic cleansing all across Europe including a war killing 5 million more Germans, then it's maybe beyond the line where Germans think they should live and let live. Especially when the find themselves amids a field of ruins that used to be one of the technologically most advance countries in the world. So whenever a far right or far left organization comes along with claims of revolution and nutjob rhetoric, the reaction can be quite stressed out. Fool Germany once, shame on you, fool Germany twice... Same goes for religious extremism in Germany, we might not bomb countries over it, but even the slight provocations on part of Al Kaeda have led to German laws that make the Patriot act look like the emancipation proclamation.

With Nazi items it's quite simple. Nazis are an organization aiming to dissolve the constitution, hence trading items is off limits. There is no judgment necessary. It's a simple rule. If someone says he wants to destroy Germany, Germany will destroy him. Your symbols, your books, your everything. Nazis say they want to get rid of the constitution, so the fight is on. Al Kaeda says the same thing, so the same rule applies. It's no longer a personal fashion choice whether to buy a Nazi uniform or not. One example you had given was Germar Rudolf. But sorry, he is a guy who claims that nobody ever died from being gased in a Nazi concentration camp. That might be lol in some parts of the world, but not in Germany, where a line for political bullshit actually exists. Some historical realities are not open for debate so that they can't be twisted in a 100 years. Cross that line and you are gone. We don't want the same thing happening to Hitler that has happened to Napoleon; that 'in the end he wasn't that bad'. The German liberals who ran the republic before the 3rd Reich learned that the hard way. Too lenient a constitutions and extremists try to screw you over first chance they get. On top of that the 3rd Reich might have been gone after WW2, but before the 3rd Reich there was another group trying to destroy the German republic from within, the communists. They were pretty much alive.

What Publishers have to learn is that they are very much allowed to depict Nazi symbols, as long as they keep the message right. If they try to glorify the 3rd Reich (no joke, e.g. Concentration Camp Manager), then they will get in trouble with the law. But even if a publisher uses Nazi symbols in a way Wolfenstein does, then nobody will really go after them. There is no censorship on part of the state. The USK rating board is also run by the video gaming industry itself. It IS independent, so there is little bias, but all they can do is to decide which age rating the game will get. If they refuse the rating then the game is not forbidden by any means, the game is also not illegal by any means. But it can't be sold to teenagers and that's where publishers get nervous. The laws aim not at making a game illegal, wort case scenario for a game is that minors can't buy it and advertising to minors has to be prevented.

If Call of Duty decides to create a campaign in which you are a German soldier on the Eastern front, then that is not forbidden. It will not be censored. Show the brutality of the German campaign if full HD, display the madness how political leaders and officers justified their acts of cruelty and even then the game will not get censored by anyone in a political office. Worst case scenario will still be your game not being sold to minors based on the rating THE INDUSTRY GIVES ITSELF. Same applies to parody. It's ok to spoof or poke fun at the 3rd Reich. As long as you do not have the intention to validate Nazi ideology everything will be fine. You will be on TV at 10 in the morning.

Examples:
Hitler Pardoy of "The Office"
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1f03Hr6M7sc
Comedy spoof of an ad:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=spE1eR6QdI0

So there are a few simple rules how design choices affect the rating in Germany:
VIOLENCE: cranking it up will crank up the rating
SEX: pornography will get you an 18+, the rest will most likely not impact it at all.
PROPAGANDA: Justify the actions of a group aiming to destroy Germany and you are a goner.

In the end, it's Bethesda censoring THEMSELVES because they want the game to sell to as many people as possible. They could just say: "ok, it's an adult game with adult topics and choices, we simply sell the game to adults only". But they want the money and so they censor themselves are make the game more childish.

savagehenry's picture

If can't laugh at a Nazi with a silly moustache. Then who can you laugh at :P

AaronMC's picture

Your basic assertion appears to be that Nazi ideas are not just bad, but dangerous. I think that's not only stupid, but dangerous as well. The idea that ideas can be dangerous is the only idea that appears even close to being dangerous.

I understand that lots and lots of people died. I understand how terrible it was. But it is in the past, for one thing, and it wasn't Nazi ideas that caused the holocaust. Saying that the Nazis were responsible is a statement of gross historical inaccuracy.

Anger among the German populace for World War 1, a devastated economy, hunger, and high crime rates were what brought Germany into extremism. The fact that the Nazis were the embodiment of that extremism is basically coincidental. It could have been any extreme ideology that promised to return Germany to glory. The Nazi ideas were NOT THE DANGEROUS PART, it was the environment that allowed them to grow. Germany was not fooled once or even at all. Germany walked into extremism happily because life was terrible. In Russia, those extremists were Communists. Same promises, different groups.

I attack Germany for the fact that anything is forbidden. We have got lots of groups, more than Germany I'd say, that support overthrowing the government. The government is still here. We're doing fine. I also don't find having those wack-job Nazis running around amusing. No one does. They're terrible, violent, idiotic pieces of human crap, but they have a right to live and to have ideas.

For example, Rudolf. He's a Holocaust-denier. So? There are tons of them. In this country, he wouldn't be worth a mention in the cheapest magazine, but in Germany, he's being oppressed by the government so people know who he is, turning him into a martyr for those who agree with him. Which is better? I say the USA is better. Here, he would be free and unknown as opposed to locked-up and known. It's idiotic to think you can imprison ideas.

People are "allowed to depict Nazi symbols, as long as they keep the message right." Well, what is right? Who defines what right is? The government? Governments have been tragically bad at determining what is right throughout the whole of history. Morality gets very confusing when mixed in with politics and law. For example, why shouldn't I be allowed to make a game called "Concetration Camp Manager?" It's in bad taste, for sure, but immoral? It's NOT REAL. It's a joke. If I don't find the joke funny, I just move on to jokes I do find funny. No harm.

And, the same thing that happened to Napoleon? He's been dead for nearly 200 years. The conclusions being reached now are far beyond emotion or creed and are as cold and analytical as one can get. Perceptions on Napoleon are, if anything, an ideal that we can strive for. After the very fear and rabid emotions that you are currently espousing are finally set aside, the last bits of real history start to come out. And for Pete's sake, the comparison is not accurate! Hitler was a homicidal monster, Napoleon was a good, old-fashioned megalomaniac.

You also oversimplify what Al Qaeda's motives are. They seek justice for perceived slights against them. They don't specifically want to destroy us just because they feel like it.

4thVariety's picture

Being tolerant towards ignorance is rather easy in the U.S. Their political system was never violently overthrown by dictatorship. Since that happened to the first German Republic, the Weimar one, the second Republic really took it upon themselves to protect itself from that. The reality of the second republic was that most Nazis were still around. The U.S. military government might had executed all the political leaders, but the industrial elite backing the Nazis was never really removed. Into that atmosphere an ideology of "tolerance has its limits" was born. Germany is doing rather well with it. The old constitution made it possible for the Nazis to take over, the new constitution more or less demands a civil war. A leftist group called the Red Army Faction tried to play revolution in the 70ies, it did not went well for them. Same goes for groups to the far right. If the German Supreme Court thinks the goal of your political party is to destroy the German state, then it will get outlawed. It can not be elected into any office and its members considered enemies of the state. Neo-Nazis such as Rudolf walk on a very thin line spitting into everybody's face. Think of it, would a U.S. citizen still tolerate the racial slurs of some backwater yokel if there had been a President Hitler killing ALL black persons alive in the U.S.? Trust me, Germans are VERY tolerant, but when it comes down to promoting Nazis they are on a fricking crusade and they do not take prisoners.

As far as Napoleon goes, if I had to choose between Napoleon's army and the western front of WW1, I rather take my chances at Verdun. Napoleon was not just an old fashioned megalomaniac, he had even less regard for his own troops than Hitler. Napoleon would come, plunder all your food resources for his army, then force around 60% of all males into his service, then move on. Your chances of survival were around 3%. You have better odds infecting yourself with Ebola.

But back to games. The only impact German las have, is still violent games not being sold to minors (for the most part). How is that a bad thing? You still did not tell me! Because nobody is forcing the publishers to remove blood or make cuts. They are doing it themselves. Because they rather sell to a bunch of kids, than providing adults with the proper versions.

AaronMC's picture

I don't understand any of it.

It's like Germany and its laughable laws against anything Nazi. Something shitty happened, so you just pretend it didn't? That condescends to your populace.

Japan is worthy of derision for this and any act of censorship. I can understand a desire to be available in the second-largest economy on Earth, but a part of me says "stand your ground. If they can't handle the game, fuck 'em."

I'm glad that they're not altering the game to make it in India, though. At least they consider that too big a change.

And, again, an example of why I'm a reluctant patriot. We may have uproars, (Hot Coffee, anyone?) but none of it is governmental. If you want to make some sick, twisted game, and can manage distribution, you can sell it.

4thVariety's picture

It's not forbidden in Germany to show either war, violence or 1.5 Million Nazis. Turn on the documentary channel for breakfast and you will see some pretty horrific war crimes early in the morning. The central question for the German rating board is always: "is war/Nazi/violence being glorified?" If a game glorifies those things it will be refused a rating. The game is then only available to adults.

Publishers twist the truth a bit to say the game is censored, but nobody is stopping them from selling the game. They even sell it, but sales will take a major hit by not being sold to minors. Developers will also start cutting back violence to get younger rating. Nobody is forcing them, it's their choice entirely. Not that they would ever admit to that, though

GERMAN GOVERNMENT COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE TRY TO SELL THEIR GAMES. Just like in the U.S., publishers have to go through a independent ratings board. While Hot Coffee might cause an outrage in the States, Sex is not something causing the rating to spike in Europe. When Microsoft Germany is saying they do not release Gears2 in Germany, they are omitting the fact that Microsoft Austria is selling fully localized versions of Gears everywhere people speak German.

German's picture

I think Germany acknowledges that something shitty happened and because of that they don't want to have any of it anymore. People know about it, they learn it at school and know is a terrible thing of their history so that's why is forbidden in the country. Whats the point on telling the people in Germany how terrible it was and then let you buy Nazi memorabilia? It doesn't make sense at all in my humble opinion.

Japan is the only country in the world that was bombed not one but twice by a nuke, its not about them not able to handle the full game at all but only that part of the game where you use a nuke, if you can't really understand why they have to change it I don't think I can explain it any simpler. The guys at Bethesda understand that it is a sensitive subject and its not about "them" not getting their game.

Mikail Yazbeck's picture

The Nuke, I understand.
The blood censorship, not so much. Ha, come on japan has far gorier content in games and movies than Fallout posses.

Oh and India, they should just come out and say it already, No Fallout 3 in India because of the Mutated Brahmin Cows, hello, cows with that gross depiction is a no no.