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Nintendo Announces DSi LL
Nintendo of Japan has revealed the Nintendo DSi LL, a DSi sporting larger 4.2 inch screens.
Designed to meet requests from older consumers wanting a larger screen and pen, the company said that the new model will offer no improvement in terms of resolution.
The DS LL measures 161 x 91.4 x 21.1mm and weights 314g. In comparison, the DSi measures 137 x 74.9 x 18.9mm and weighs 214g.
It will be bundled with two touch pens, one shorter (96mm) and one longer (129.3mm), and will come with three DSiWare titles pre-installed – two brain training games and a dictionary.
The new model will offer greater battery life than the existing DSi. The battery can last from 4-5 hours (extensive use) to 13-17 hours (energy saving use), compared to 3-4 hours to 9-14 hours for the DSi. The system will take three hours to charge, 30 minutes longer than the DSi.
Set for release in Japan on November 21 for 20,000 yen ($220), the DS LL will come in three colours: Dark Brown, Wine Red and Natural White.
Nintendo UK said in a statement that the system would be called the DSi XL in Europe. It will release in Europe in the first quarter of 2010. "The retail price of the Nintendo DSi XL is expected to be higher than that of the Nintendo DSi. Further details will be released soon,” it said. According to Joystiq, DSi XL will also be available in the US in early 2010.
Earlier this week it was reported that Nintendo would be releasing a new DSi sporting larger screens. At the time Nintendo told us that the reports were based purely on speculation.
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@DubsTF
Get off yer parents computer FFS!
When you dis DubsTF, you dis yourself.
Sigh, Nintendo flood the market with more pointless shit....again.
And "hardcore" simpletons flood the comments with pointless remarks...again.
And the silly "so called" know it all's talk nonsense....again.
On a similar note, you might want to check out my posts. in this thread I voiced similar complaints, and I'm getting attacked by at least three 'lemmings' on this board and getting called names, ranging from 'Downs baby' to 'dumbass' and so on.
All the while denying they are multi-million dollar company 'apologists' or fanboys - it's really quite pathetic - insulting people over a bloody videogame handheld machine.
If these are not paid shills, I feel bad for them, really - for someone to build such a psychological connection to a company is frankly a sign of arrested development.
for someone to build such a psychological connection to a company is frankly a sign of arrested development
Absolutely, screw the lot of them (Sony, MS, Nintendo), they don't care about anyone but themselves. So why should us gamers. I'll never understand emotional connections to firms that couldn't give a shit about you as a consumer.
exactly!as i've stated before there's no reason for being a fanboy,if you do so you eventually become a puppet...
I agree mate, some on here can't understand that this is all subjective.
I think this might be a good idea as it is aimed at the older generation & thoese that do suffer from eye strain (which can cause headaches due to staring at the small screen for numerous hours and cramped/stiff neck due to the prolonged neck posture). As most have said rightly it shouldn't been seen as an upgrade to the DSi. With resolutions as the same there is nothing anyone is losing out on with the games (baring the cameras on the DSi).
Simply put if you want a more comfortable and larger screen to play your games, then this is it. Otherwise stick with the lateset model of the DS/i.
It seems fairly obvious to me that Nintendo are tapping into the mobile phone trend of users upgrading to the lastest versions once a year when contract renewals are up. Can't say I blame them, mobile phone manufacturers have been doing it for years.
But this is not an upgrade.
It has no superior features in the way that the latest mobile phones have - yes they have larger screens but these are combined with superior resolution for an improved picture - the key here is the resolution is the same so the picture is not improved. The new model is simply a modification for a target market (i.e. older people who tend to be more prone to eye strain), if you're not in that target market you should not consider this an upgrade.
As I've said below, it has no better features (e.g. the screen resolution is the same) and most people will prefer the smaller one for portability reasons. The only people who should prefer this are the people for whom small screens are an issue, which is exactly who it is marketed at.
The problem is caused by the assumption that it is an upgrade when it's not. It's not Nintendo's fault that in trying to please a specific group of people, there are other people with the old DS (or DSi) who will want this purely for the reason that they think something is better because it is newer, without properly considering what the actual differences are.
Ok maybe upgrade was the wrong word to use, but I remember my teenage daughter saying she wanted the last iteration, the DSi and I asked her why, it looked more or less the same to me, and she replied that it now had 2 cameras, not the fact that there was some must have games coming out for it, but purely and simply because it was the latest version and had the odd additional feature.
You'll have to bare with me as my details may be incorrect as I don't really follow the handheld market that keenly, but hopefully you'll see the point that I'm making :D
Yeah I get what you mean, the details are correct! But it kind of agrees with me I think.
Firstly, as you say, your daughter wanted the DSi because it had a new feature - the cameras. But I don't think you can actually say that the DSi XL has any new features. The only difference is that the DSi XL is simply bigger as a whole, the screen being bigger in proportion, to suit generally less dextrous (and more prone to eye strain) older people. The size of the screen is part of the whole size increase, not a feature on its own, furthermore, because the resolution is not increased, the picture is not improved in any way. For these reasons, I don't think you can call the larger screen a new feature - it's just part of the whole size increase. Then as I mentioned, I think most people would prefer the smaller DSi because it is smaller and more portable. The only people that won't are the people it's intended for, and those that just think newer is better, but then I think you agree that the latter people would probably want the smaller one if that happened to be released later. As such, I don't think it's fair to blame Nintendo for trying to cater to older people, if some people (arguably conditioned by the mobile phone industry) just equate newer with better, without objectively appraising the differences, and want it regardless of the lack of new features. It's not Nintendo's fault teenagers can be a bit, well you know better than I do!
Haha, yep I think we agree :-)
ehh, I'm still doing alright with my old DS Lite.
Jesus Christ, and the DSi has been out for how long?
Start making a console that is worth our money. I still have the old DS and I don't intend to buy a new one because it's simply smaller.
Oh, I also play my old Game Boy Advance games Nintendo, so bugger off.
You don't need to buy it so don't and whinge about something more important.
It's just incredibly annoying that they're flooding the market with it. Those who bought the DSi will then be disappointed to hear that this is now in the works.
The market is being saturated by remakes of a console that is several years old that offers overall nothing new and the only advantage I see the camera coming into use is a Warrio game. I'm pretty sure there is one or one being developed.
It's all rather annoying, really.
It's not a replacement. I've bought a DSi and I'm not upset. I don't need a DS that is designed for fat hands.
The only reason someone should be upset is if they bought a DSi and have fat hands but really they shouldn't have bought a DSi if it was too small for their hands.
mentor07825: Didn't you get the memo by now? There are a bunch of multi-million dollar company apologists on this forum that don't want to hear anything negative coming out of the mouth from the plebeian customer.
You see, the 'customer is king' went out of the window a long time ago. Now it's all about a bunch of insignificant little critters identifying themselves with their favourite multi-million dollar company, becoming a walking advertisement for the company and then lashing out at whomever is upsetting the company's bottom line.
Why, you'd almost think Sony and Nintendo have their PR-propagandists running amok on this forum.
DubsTF strikes me as one of these 'propagandists'/'fanboys'/'plebeian apologist' types.
Yeah, what's worse is people that accept the fact that evil corporations make more than one type of shirt or one type of jeans.
It's just little changes meant to fuck the customer over. We only need one type of shirt and trousers. Anything over that is unnecessary waste aimed at flooding the market and stealing people's money.
People who buy different clothes are retards who don't know how to conform.
Squarepusher strikes me as one of those people that "can't have a real argument using facts" types.
I think you're mixing up Sony and Nintendo with Microsoft, as of the three it is Microsoft much more than the other two which has an extensively documented history of astroturfing, funding dubious studies and attempting to bribe writers in order to create the appearance of grassroots enthusiasm for their crap products.
Sorry to rain on your conspiracy theory.
'Sorry to rain on your conspiracy theory' - such a dumb retort. But I guess that is to be expected of the average college-grad American schoolkid. This explains enough about your personal predisposition.
Get a clue, pal - there ARE lobbyists, there ARE PR propagandists engaged on forums in case you hadn't noticed.
Making comments regarding someone who disagrees with you and regarding him as theaverage college-grad American schoolkid to explain why he disagees with you? Yep that about shows your personality.
Squarepusher: there ARE lobbyists, there ARE PR propagandists engaged on forums in case you hadn't noticed.
You are the one who really needs to get a clue, psychologically people create bonds with the brands they use, aided by marketing campaigns (remember Genesis does?) that plus the need people get to defend their purchases makes the need for your so called lobbylists and PR propagandist unnecessary. You read too much into the lines.
Ahh by the way the this consumer need to justify what you buy also goes the other way around and in the case of some people feeling disappointed with their purchase, like buying multiple iterations of a console to have the latest one (among many reasons) will make them lash out to the manufacturer (justifiably so) for making their last purchase obsolete in their eyes.
[quote]You are the one who really needs to get a clue, psychologically people create bonds with the brands they use, aided by marketing campaigns (remember Genesis does?) that plus the need people get to defend their purchases makes the need for your so called lobbylists and PR propagandist unnecessary. You read too much into the lines.[/quote]
That just means a lot of people have been made really mentally ill by corporations, or perhaps always were from the very beginning - for you to create a psychological bond with a brand, well, excuse me if I find that to be a mentally ill predisposition. Or perhaps the advertising does this to people - whatever. But of course, opinions may vary wildly.
But then there are always 'change agents'. Google it sometime. To just presume it is just a bunch of people with no self-identity of their own is to tackle this subject from a somewhat one-dimensional perspective.
Oh, I noticed! I also noticed, as indicated in my last comment, that the vast majority of them are employed by Microsoft (at least vis-à-vis computers, game consoles, MP3 players, et. al.)
And with regard to the rest of your comment (including the portion you deleted), I fully respect your right to insult my nationality and education and to dismiss my remarks as dumb; I just wish it weren't all over such a non-issue.
I removed it because it was unnecessarily hostile - some self-moderation is a good thing, no?
Also, about the Microsoft thing: that is one thing I think both of us can agree on - Major Nelson is one of the more prominent paid propagandists of this ilk - and what's more, he's even proud to admit it now (I think there was something in a previous Edge Magazine issue where some Microsoft PR person was patting himself on the back that the Major Nelson thing worked so well - he said they had a lot of people fooled at the beginning that he was really this independent voice that just happened to like everything XBox-like by Microsoft).
Lets not forget Microsoft trying to buy out, if I remember correctly, Yahoo because it would offer them a wider audience to market their products.
I have played every single console out there, and I've been playing games since I could hold a controller, and I have no favourites. I enjoy all three current-gen consoles as they are all different and they're good in their own ways.
I just don't appreciate a handheld market being saturated by the same console shortly after the release of another one that offers nothing new but at full retail price.
It's incredibly annoying.
Also, no attacks against other people here by saying they're PR reps please. As some of you remember, we've gone past the era of Dreamhunk and I want it to keep it that way.
Look, I own all consoles of the big three so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I'm getting sick of these company apologists that just try and defend every single piece of crap product they put out on the market.
Exactly WHY should I not be allowed to complain about the debacle that is the PSP Go? Why do I need to shut up about that and be publicly rebuked? Why can't I complain about this latest DS iteration and how they're still milking this platform a year or so after they just released their latest iteration, the DSi? I have already bought multiple iterations of the same thing - PSP Phat, PSP Slim, Nintendo DS Phat, Nintendo DS Lite - but I'm no retard. I know and recognize when a company is trying to shaft me, and this certainly fits the bill.
Exactly my point, and I totally agree with you.
We should be allowed to complain and question the companies. At the end of the day it's their product and we as the consumer make a choice to buy it or not.
Also, as consumers, we should demand quality for what we pay for and question these companies! I don't want shite to be dripped into the market. This is very tiring!
I was seriously thinking of getting the PSPgo, but I cannot find a library of what games they offer on the internet. Until then I shall not become a PSP(whatever) owner.
We, as consumers, have a right to question and complain about products on the market.
This whole thing is annoying. Do they really expect to make a profit out of this? Or to increase sales?
Disinterest in the new model I can understand but I just can't make the leap to "rather annoying." ??? Nobody is forcing you to buy this and nobody is pretending it's a replacement for or even a upgrade to the DSi. I don't know if you've read about the DS-ill on other sites that offer more info and graphics, but do you realize how much bigger it is than the regular DSes?
Speaking for myself, I bought the DSi and I have zero interest in buying the new super-sized DS for geriatrics. More power to Nintendo for addressing that potential audience, though.
I concur.
Given the choice between the two versions, I would prefer the smaller one exactly because it is smaller and more portable (but the screen is still sufficiently viewable). Everyone here is just incorrectly equating newer with better, but for no tangible reason (it would be different if the screen had a superior resolution). The real equation should simply be newer is more suitable for a target market - but not better. As it is, there's nothing wrong with producing a larger version that is more suited for older people with less dextrous hands / eyes that become more easily strained.
It would also be different if Nintendo were trumpeting this as the latest and greatest instead of just another option for the elder set, which they're clearly not.
I hate to say it, but it seems that any and every Nintendo announcement these days are met with whining these days.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/analysts-new-psp-with-umd-a-strong-possi...
Is this the new trend? Releasing annual upgrades of 'old', long-since technologically obsolete hardware?
I mean, c'mon, the DS does not even feature 'bilinear filtering'. This was a reason for outcry back in 2004 - it's bloody pathetic right here in 2009 with at least two consecutive upgrades having preceded this latest iteration - DS Lite and DSi.
Might as well drop that in there so you actually get some 'bang for your buck' with a bigger screen. Or does Nintendo insist that every one of us gets the same pixellated PS1-era mess on their screen?
Casual gamers like having this sort of variety as they aren't a load of teenage boys looking to conform with their peers.
At least Nintendo isn't screwing customers unlike Sony and its PSP Go. You buy the DS you want and that's that. Even those with the original DS can enjoy virtually every single game and will continue to be able to. You only *need* to upgrade if you like the look of newer ones.
There is no harm with that unless, again, you're just an insecure conformist tit.
Tell me toadwarrior, can I play a DSi-exclusive game on my DS Lite? No? I thought so.
So your second paragraph - we can pretty much disregard.
Learn how to read Downs baby. I said most.
Of course there will be some games make that use the camera. It's simply impossible to make some games backwards compatible.
But to think Nintendo or anyone is just going to up and forget the vast majority of DS gamers would be be childish fanboy gibberish.
That's not what you said. You said this:
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Even those with the original DS can enjoy virtually every single game and will continue to be able to
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Anyway, I'm getting really tired of this entire debate with you guys. You guys need to learn to be tolerant of others' right to complain about a particular product. And if there were nothing to my complaint, you wouldn't all be getting so riled up about it and trotting out insulting remarks like 'Downs baby' and whatnot. I thought swearing was not allowed on the Edge forums?
Anyway, just because you like to tow the line and love everything made by Nintendo doesn't mean I have to suddenly conform. Sorry - your group think ain't working on me - and never will.
You clearly don't know what that means. It's getting beyond embarrassing now.
virtually every single game does mean most.
Please read the following:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3A+virtually&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&a...
No one cares about legitimate complaints. But when you're complaining just to complain then you need to respect my right to point out you're a tit.
It takes a true moron to argue against consumer choice.
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No one cares about legitimate complaints. But when you're complaining just to complain then you need to respect my right to point out you're a tit.
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No, I really don't have to respect one bloody thing. You're not 'pointing out' anything worth pondering. Especially when you call people 'morons' or 'Down's babies' over it. You need to grow the hell up and realize there are more significant issues in this world than your little videogames - some people don't have to buy every single little frivolous device a company throws at you - and furthermore, when they're fragmenting the userbase with spin-off products that have their own games, someone is allowed to complain.
Now go crawl back to the sewer you came from. Last reply you'll ever get from me.
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It takes a true moron to argue against consumer choice.
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You don't even understand what 'consumer choice' entails, Sherlock.
If you are really interested in playing DSi games, then sell your DS Lite and buy the DSi. What's the issue here? And, according to some of your other posts, you think the games look bad to begin with so why invest more money in a system you think is bad?
But don't you realize that I'm merely pointing out the fallacy of toadwarrior's argument? I'll quote it for you:
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Go. You buy the DS you want and that's that. Even those with the original DS can enjoy virtually every single game and will continue to be able to. You only *need* to upgrade if you like the look of newer ones.
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So your entire post misses the point.
Wow you even quoted me and still can't see that I *never* said they could play every single game.
So are you just an ignorant fanboy or a dumbass?
Go ahead and run your mouth all six ways to Sunday. See how much I care.
Edge forum admins, don't you ever moderate these things??? You think it's perfectly acceptable for obnoxious fanboys to try to insinuate someone is a Downs' baby by posting a picture of a retarded child??? Well, whatever - but don't expect people to remain polite when these obnoxious trolls/lemmings go out of their way to harass you.
Not really. You CAN play virtually every DS game. Not the DSi games or games that use the GBA slot. So what? So you can't play every single game made for all DS variants across all DS platforms. Can't do that with my PC either, or the 360, or the PS3, or etc. I get it, you don't like what Nintendo is doing with the DS platform. Noted.