By Kris Graft
January 29, 2009
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"...Relatively speaking, [compared to] the growth of other platforms, we are behind, but it's not the case that we are not meeting the target."
Sony on Thursday reported a year-on-year decrease in quarterly PS3 unit sales, but execs say the company is still on the right trajectory to hit previously-announced goals.
"In terms of units, it is true that PS3, as compared to last year, is slightly worse, but on a full-year basis we believe we are on track to sell the 10 million units that I said at the beginning of the year," said Sony EVP and CFO Nobuyuki Oneda in an earnings call.
Sony announced earlier today that PS3 sold 4.46 million units during the company's fiscal Q3, a 9 percent drop from 4.9 million for the same quarter a year ago.
Oneda added, "...Relatively speaking, [compared to] the growth of other platforms, we are behind, but it's not the case that we are not meeting the target."
Sales in the games division dropped by nearly one-third to 581.2 billion yen ($6.5 billion) during the quarter. Operating income dove 97 percent to 4 million yen. Sony said the segment was able to stay profitable "due to the steady reductions in the cost of PS3 hardware."
During the quarter, PSP hardware sales slipped 12 percent to 5.08 million units. Oneda announced that Sony would be reverting back to its fiscal year goal of 15 million PSPs sold after raising that target by 1 million units just a few months ago.
"We thought 16 million would be rather difficult" to achieve after seeing holiday sales, he said.
PS2 hardware sales during the quarter dropped 53 percent to 2.52 million sold.
Year-on-year Q3 unit sales for PS3 software grew by 57 percent to 40.8 million, while PS2 software dropped 51 percent to 29.7 million. PSP software dropped 15 percent to 15.5 million.
All of Sony's unit sales figures are according to sell-in.
Hello all
Let me say that Sony is the better system and please read through to see why.
We all have our opinions but facts are facts and that’s all to it, facts.
I won’t say people I’ll say; we talk trash to each other about games and systems and about online stuff.
But if we’re talking games
Games: Developers make the games for the systems and not the company’s,
I’ve seen post about stupid lighting issues, brighter - darker, what the hell – brighter darker, so what, if the developer got paid by micr0…. To make a game that’s a multi-platform to look better on there system and not so good on the other guys system. Then we talk about trivial stuff like release dates, again if micr0…. Paid the developers to make there’s faster and the other guys slower, by this time I hop you get the picture. Today it’s all about the dollar, yen, euro or what ever else, cash is cash.
Games: Sony’s core games look and play exceptionally well (off-the-chain) . the reason is that the other guy micr0… didn’t get his hand in the mix. A game like kill zone 2 can it run on the xbox? A game like drake’s fortune can it run on the xbox? A game like God Of War can it run on the xbox?. The point is stop supporting micr0.. in stupid things.
Systems: The three rings of Death,
The 360 sales are might be up but is it because of actual sales numbers minus failed units or just the sales, what ever it is the facts are the facts . the units have a high failure rate and do you fan boys always buy crap. Now I can understand why some posts have (x-crap).
Original Xbox: is this unit still supported: what about the people who bought these items is it now trash? But the same people who bought the second version are now experiencing a high failure rate but still just don’t get it. Micr0… just want your money.
HDVD- A few months ago they were selling or trying to get rid of those things, so micr0… sold it to you fan boys and you bought it. I can understand the concept less is more. Bluray 30gb- HDVD-25gb
Less and More:
Playstaion still supports its units
Original xbox?
Ps3 core system has a built in Bluray player
Xbox360 ?
Ps3 core system has a build in WIFI.
Xbox360?
Ps3 online is free
Xbox live?
Psp can do everything
Ds- small screen and ? sorry Nintendo
When you buy all of those add-ons the xbox360 cost more but who cares, the fan boys always but it again and again because of the high failure rate. But they always say the ps3 suck and doesn’t have good games. Well if you want better games tell micr0…stop paying the developers and the fanboys and make it a fair fight you’ll see a winner. PS3.
The wii is in a league of its own and kids (ages 1-5) (65-99) should have fun too.
Speak english boy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 360 is cheaper than PS3 even with a HDD, wireless adaptor and Live for a year. Well, UK at least. You honestly think that Microsoft paid developers to make their games look better on the 360 than PS3? To delay a games release to appear on 360 first? Jesus Christ man, you got some real fanboy issues. Oh and yes, all the games you mentioned would run on the 360.
Dude in uk 360 is still expensive cos i live there and i own both. And no killzone 2 or uncharted cannot run on 360 i tried to emulate it no luck. So unfortunately your wrong sorry to break it to ya but dont lose sleep over it and i dont care cos like i sed i own both.
How have you tried to emulate it? It isn't possible, the tech doesn't exist. Give me links.
Also:
PS3 80gb, with 2 games - £299.99
Xbox 360, with hard-drive and a game = £169.99
Plus Wireless for £59.99 and Live for a year for £39.99 all totals up to £269.97. so it is cheaper. And that isn't even the cheapest places for those products.
Don't chat shit, I'll call you on it. Oh I also own both systems.
Erm dude no need to get personal and second I was talking about when I got the 360 cos got the core for £200. And yeh it is a bit more expensive cos the frickin hardware failed on me o yes the old 3 red lights. So chill out and anyway even if it is that cheap add another game to it and it will be same price wont it dumbass, They equate and therefore get pretty much similar value for your money. Then add good old blu ray and you get a good bargain and yes blu rays are awesome so stop stayin it doesnt count.
And btw I am not on this forum to start stupid arguments you want a discussion fair play but dont be a shit bag cos I aint no 'xbot' or 'ps3 fanboy'. And there aint no links cos i just set up the emulation myself well not for killzone but uncharted. And dont get personal about it like kim cos you may start soundin like him. And ur next post I aint gonna reply to. So goodbye and take care amigo
Be great if you ciould explain how that emulation works, please?
I didn't mention blu-ray, do you have a guilty conscience? The hardware failing with three red lights does not affect cost as Microsoft will repair for free. The cost of the unit is not as much as a PS3, is that hard to understand? Those prices are not even from the cheapest place. How can you question it? The PS3 is the more expensive console. I am not saying the PS3 is not a good bit of kit, because it is. Blu-Ray is great. However, that is not the discussion.
.....Sadly, nothing you can say will abate the fan boys...
But you are right of course.. The PS3 has lots in its favour, as do the other consoles..
One thing I should mention though, is that the PS3 has it's fair share of hardware issues.. the firmware has always been a little iffy. Although has got much better recently. And personally speaking I'm already on my second PS3... error 800****** bricked my last one in six months of owning it. Sony service swapping it was second to none though.
No problems thus far with the Xbox, but this is just me personally. I'm sure the same can't be said for everyone.
New theory!
Kim_Naroz is actually on SONY'S payroll and his job is to make Xbox fanboys look like blithering idiots, not that they need much help in this regard. Why else would he so consistently act such a fool in his "promotion" of Microsoft's system?
He totally makes me want to sell my 360, maybe buy a few extra PS3s. If you were Greenberg, et. al, wouldn't you want to shut him down?
Think about it!
Hello all
Let me say that Sony is the better system and please read through to see why.
We all have our opinions but facts are facts and that’s all to it, facts.
I won’t say people I’ll say; we talk trash to each other about games and systems and about online stuff.
But if we’re talking games
Games: Developers make the games for the systems and not the company’s,
I’ve seen post about stupid lighting issues, brighter - darker, what the hell – brighter darker, so what, if the developer got paid by micr0…. To make a game that’s a multi-platform to look better on there system and not so good on the other guys system. Then we talk about trivial stuff like release dates, again if micr0…. Paid the developers to make there’s faster and the other guys slower, by this time I hop you get the picture. Today it’s all about the dollar, yen, euro or what ever else, cash is cash.
Games: Sony’s core games look and play exceptionally well (off-the-chain) . the reason is that the other guy micr0… didn’t get his hand in the mix. A game like kill zone 2 can it run on the xbox? A game like drake’s fortune can it run on the xbox? A game like God Of War can it run on the xbox?. The point is stop supporting micr0.. in stupid things.
Systems: The three rings of Death,
The 360 sales are might be up but is it because of actual sales numbers minus failed units or just the sales, what ever it is the facts are the facts . the units have a high failure rate and do you fan boys always buy crap. Now I can understand why some posts have (x-crap).
Original Xbox: is this unit still supported: what about the people who bought these items is it now trash? But the same people who bought the second version are now experiencing a high failure rate but still just don’t get it. Micr0… just want your money.
HDVD- A few months ago they were selling or trying to get rid of those things, so micr0… sold it to you fan boys and you bought it. I can understand the concept less is more. Bluray 30gb- HDVD-25gb
Less and More:
Playstaion still supports its units
Original xbox?
Ps3 core system has a built in Bluray player
Xbox360 ?
Ps3 core system has a build in WIFI.
Xbox360?
Ps3 online is free
Xbox live?
Psp can do everything
Ds- small screen and ? sorry Nintendo
When you buy all of those add-ons the xbox360 cost more but who cares, the fan boys always but it again and again because of the high failure rate. But they always say the ps3 suck and doesn’t have good games. Well if you want better games tell micr0…stop paying the developers and the fanboys and make it a fair fight you’ll see a winner. PS3.
The wii is in a league of its own and kids (ages 1-5) (65-99) should have fun too.
Nice Theory
Kim its kinda sad that you had to act like a muppet- an xbot muppet. hahaha yes I am realli funny. But enough flirting around. Dude you need to chill out cos it sounds like sony or specifically ps3 or maybe even kaz harai abused you when you were a little boy and then the 360 took you into its home and made you forget all about it. If that did happen I am sorry to hear about that besides the 360 taking care of you that sounds like a nice story.
I have both 360 and ps3 as said before and they both have taken care of me. 360 is like a high class prostitute because the more 'things' you want the more you gotta pay, where as ps3 is a nice wife but sometimes forgets to clean the dishes. I guess I sound a bit misogynistic but I am not I have 5 sisters and all is well there so dont worry.
OK being serious ps3 has blu ray player and yes that does count cos its frickin awesome and yes you can download from netflix but I like to keep a collection but its cool to download if you want. Music I do not care about for either consoles cos it takes away from the sound quality from the game. And rumble who cares ps3 has sixaxis lol sorry overall I dont care bout rumble it doesnt affect me or is noticed. And online xbox live is awesome fair play and sony can catch up there. And yes kaz talks rubbish but I dont care about kaz cos he himself is not the ps3 he just wants to make money and keep his pride. ps3 could get same numbers of psn accounts as xbox live as its free and not every has the hard drive on xbox. ps3 wont catch up in US but it will lead in europe very soon and already leads in japan.
Again I am sorry for writing soo much but dude chill out. I hope I didnt offend anyone or upset anyone and u shouldnt or ur a realli overly sensitive dude.
Kim_Naroz : PS3 is obviously a very disappointing game system.
The Rampant Fanboyism continues... It's the same old, Same Old....
You're just repeating yourself now Kim. With so much bile directed at Sony, it must be hard to keep it original!!
We've heard all this rhetoric before.
Didn't I reply to a very similar post the other day ? Would you like me to link you to my response?
Sony is well-known as a company that LIES.
Example:
In 2006, Sony claimed their goal was to sell 6 million PS3 systems by spring of 2007. When spring of 2007 arrived, Sony realized that only 1.4 million consumers had purchased the PS3 system. In fact, Sony had only "produced" 5.5 million PS3 systems. When Sony's executives would talk with the media, they would say things like "We are only behind our goal by 500,000 units." This was strange, because not even close to 5.5 million PS3 units had been "shipped" to retailers/wholesalers, since PILES of UNSOLD Playstation 3 systems were collecting dust in stores.
The lesson is, do NOT believe what Sony is telling you, since they are known for telling lies. For crying out loud, they recently tried to say the PSN had more users than Xbox Live. LOL...Every website on the Internet made fun of Sony's Kaz Hirai for making that announcment! He is now often referred to as "Krazy Kaz" from Fony Computer Entertainment.
Here is an example of what I'm referring to in an interview with Sony's Jack "the quack" Tretton, since he says the same thing over and over and over, even though it doesn't make sense--similar to a duck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIDsTsWJHw
As a proud supporter of ducks everywhere, I find your comments very offensive. How do YOU know what ducks are saying don't make sense? Do you speak duck? This kind of ill informed, anti-duck rhetoric MUST come to an end.
[An End to Duckism!!!]
[Another Repost - Somebody likes the sound of their own voice!!]
Seriously Kim, you really are so wrapped up in your own self importance.. Why would we want to read this stuff twice?
"...since he says the same thing over and over and over, even though it doesn't make sense--similar to a duck:"
No further comments.
PS3 is obviously a very disappointing game system.
Xbox 360 is far superior to the Playstation 3 in every genre of gaming. And "multi-platform" games are almost always either "noticably" or "significantly" better on the Xbox 360 in terms of graphics and features.
Games are still released "last" on the PS3, and at higher prices.
For example:
The new Command & Conquer Red Alert has been available for the Xbox 360 for quite a while. It has become a best-seller Platinum Hit and now sells for only $29. But when the PS3 version is "eventually" released later this year, it will sell for TWICE as much ($59). We saw this same thing happen with games like Lost Planet, Orange Box, and Rainbow Six: Vegas. The Xbox 360 versions were selling for half the price, yet had better graphics and superior online play with many more people to play with.
Another example:
The "little things" that Xbox 360 owners take for granted are missed very much by the Playstaton 3. Examples include:
* Rumble - Even new games like Soul Calibur 4 still do NOT offer support for the PS3 Dual-Shock controller that can be purchased seperately for $60 (since the PS3 does NOT come with a controller that rumbles). But even if you spend the $60, you will find out about all the games that don't work with the $60 rumble controller. This is very disappointing to lack potential like that, simply because developers don't bother to program the feature into the game due to Sony's dumb decision not to pack a rumble controller in with the system.
* Online Chat While Playing - Sony didn't include a headset with the PS3 the way that Microsoft did with the Xbox 360. This is the reason why every version of an Xbox 360 game allows you to chat online while playing, but many PS3 games do NOT allow you to chat online while playing. Having communication online while playing adds a lot to a Game of the Year like Halo 3 that offers 4-player Co-Op online where everyone can talk to each other while playing.
* Customized Music - Standard feature on Xbox 360, but not on Playstation 3. Xbox 360 lets you use any songs you have saved on your hard drive or USB card so you can play them at any time. It's cool because the music works "with" the game instead of cancelling out all the sound effects from the game.
* Playstation 3 is still struggling in several genres of gaming. PS3 was on the market for THREE holiday shopping seasons before it saw a game in the RTS genre released. Xbox 360 completely dominates every genre of gaming this generation.
[OH DEAR!!]
I gotta backup Limanima. PS3 library is not weak in anyway. It does have good first party titles and one of them was the Edge and many other magazines game of the year. IGN only nominated one game for 360 that ps3 didnt have and dat was left 4 dead. Whereas ps3 had two ps3 exclusives. K fair enuf dat 360 had fable 2 and gears 2 out as well and could've been nominated for GOTY but they didn't. And were not even nominated by many other magazines. I have to say that the original Gears of War is in my top ten ever and so is LBP. And yes GOW and LBP are better than Halo 3.
I can go on and on but IMO i can say that PS3 can compete with 360s library or be possibly better. And yes I do have 360 and ps3 so no, not a fanboy. I cant say much about xbox live cos its a joke to get it i got the core version when it was for £200. Then I realised you need a Hard Drive to connect to Xbox live and also need a wireless adapter, which also takes the mick. Whereas with the ps3 got a huge hard drive and connection is free and yes it might be inferior but it will grow and tbh i luv psn besides the fact I cant find the demo section anymore.
Overall sorry for making my comment long but PS3 is good as or better than 360. And will get better this year the exclusives look great including Killzone 2. But every PS3 lover shud embrace themselves when the review Killzone 2 from Edge comes out cos we all now its gonna give it like a 5 or 6. As its gonna lack innovation etc etc but they gave R2 a 6, which was harsh I think an 8 was fair. But going back to innovation GOW2 didnt add much new and had online glitches and Halo 3 is the same game, which had a boring story and squad AI was meh but fairplay it had Forge and online which I assume was awesome. And GTA 4 I can argue its like GTA 3 but prettier but it was more immersive and it did have online multiplayer. Anyway sorry for talking so much its my first comment.
Sony has many, many problems as regards ps3. The casual market all want a wii and the gamer market will gravitate to the 360's superior games library and better online features. The ps3 is too expensive and the games library weak. Sony just need to pray that dev's don't start walking away from the platform.
Why don't you get informed before you say things like the ps3 game library is weak?
Do you know that games like Bioshock or Eternal Sonata for instance have alerady been released on the PS3?
Do you know that in 2008 exclusive games like MGS4, LBP, Motorstorm PR, Resistance 2, Naruto, Valryrian Chronicles were released? And you know that games like GTA IV, Dead Space, Prince of Persia, FIFA, PES, COD5 etc are multiplat?
"Ps3 games library is weak" is old story...
Devs won't drop the ps3, you know why? Because they port the games from the XBox version. It's cheaper to port the game instead of developing them from scratch. Development costs are imputed to the XBox version, and only port costs are imputed to the PS3.
Why do you think most publishers claim that the biggest part of their profit is coming from the PS3? (EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, Namco, etc).
Show me how you figure this since they sold the same in 2008 are you ppl in denial Sony 10.77 mil Xbox 10.8 mil in 2008 those are the numbers ppl there neck and neck .
It's true that the Nintendo numbers speak for themselves. Nintendo have done well to push home entertainment forward, making gaming more appealing to people which is otherwise wouldn't have embrace it.
Regardless of claims to the contrary both the Xbox and the PS3 have been shifting there fair share of units. We're still into the millions. Obviously the Xbox has the Playstation3 beaten on price, although some might say that PS3 has the Xbox beat on features, primarily due to blue ray and would justify the extra 100quid, to this end.
Xbox has a year on the Sony box, which has played hugely to its advantage. But for Sony going into year 3 in most territories this year will be the year that hopeful thing will take off, as sales did with Microsoft box last year. I know I keep saying this but games and exclusives, not to mention the availability of downloadable content will play a huge part.
It's interesting though that the Playstation 2 is still doing so well in terms of hardware sales. PS2 is a extremely powerful and is cheap and the back catalogue in intimidating.. But It's nearing the end of its life cycle and still posted sales in excess of 2.5million for last quarter. Those numbers would certain explain a lot. I wonder what would have happened to Xbox360 had there been an overlap with the 1st gen Xbox.
07, 08 oh yea 09 thats it
The PS3 and Sony as a whole will be completely fine, from where I see it the PS3 has no where to go but up now that they are starting to break even and have many excellent titles on the horizon (by the way KZ2 has a metacritic score of 9.6 already preordered). I just read on N4G that regardless of Microsofts claims Sony and Microsoft are neck and neck in terms of 2008 overall hardware sales thats excellent for Sony given there price point. Ive said it b4 and Ill say it again I think 2009 is going to be an excellent year for Sony and the PS3.
Just checked overall sales for :
Microsoft 10.8 million
Sony 10.77 million
not bad for being double the cost huh ?
You're beliving one website over many others? Over independant sales analysis?
actually its also on SCE website and Microsofts .
Not according to Microsoft:
this
All of Sony I could find on their site is:
this
Does this make everything okay again then? :P
It interesting that the PS3 is only about half a million units off the breaking even with this quarter last year. Although I’m not particularly looking forward to seeing the result in the coming months. With the recession in full flow for most likely the best part of 2009/10 these are going to be the toughest time for all concerned.
PS2 hardware sales during the quarter dropped 53 percent to 2.52 million sold."
This has to be the best news for a Sony. Its 8 years old is still pulling in the numbers. Almost half as much as the PS3 for that quarter . With the PS2 going out of production, This time next year are we going to have better PS3 numbers as PS2 owners make the switch over?
Only time will tell, but it's certainly going to make things interesting over the coming months with so many good looking titles on the horizon and with people tightening there belts. Will next Christmas see the PS3 break the 5-6million mark for this quarter? I’ll wait with baited breath.
I actually hope that by discontinuing the PS2, they'll re-introduce the PS3 with backwards compatibility... I doubt it but well - you never know.
I hope they re ad PS2 compatibility but via Emulation, i don't want to buy another ps3 just for the backwards...
That would be awesome... But like you, I'm not holding my breath... Isn't only a case of re-adding the emulation for the emotion chip again in the firmware?
I suspect its going to be much more likely that Sony will start selling the most popular titles back to us over Play station Network.
Personally, I'm just going to keep a PS2 and a spare handy just in case. It's such a good system it would be a shame to get rid of it. I've had it since UK release and it's done me proud, it's never needed new lasers or parts of any sort. It now sit happily between and Xbox360 and PS3 (which has already been sent back with a fatal error 8001code)
PS3 09. That's all you need to know