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Sony Refutes PS3 Manufacturing Fault Claims

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By Tom Ivan

September 18, 2009

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Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has refuted claims that PS3 consoles have an inherent defect after the BBC show Watchdog carried out an investigation into what gamers have dubbed "The Yellow Light of Death".

Watchdog says it has been contacted by over 150 PS3 owners whose consoles no longer work, all of them displaying the same fault indicator - a yellow flashing light. If outside of the one year PS3 warranty period, Sony charges £128 to rectify the problem.

The show spoke with a number of independent console repair businesses who said that the "yellow light of death" can be repaired by heating up specific parts of the PS3s circuit board in a process called solder re-flow, which is commonly used to repair fractured connections.

In a statement issued to the BBC, Sony acknowledged that around 12,500 of the 2.5 million PS3s sold in the UK have broken in this way, but the company strongly denied that there is a single fault afflicting all of these consoles.

"We entirely refute the suggestion that PS3 consoles have an inherent defect or other design issue...Of all PS3's sold in the UK to date, fewer than one half of one percent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated," the company said.

"The phrase "yellow light of death" has been adopted by certain members of the online community to describe the situation in which PS3 systems have shut down following the illumination of the yellow light on the PS3's front panel. The yellow light indicator is simply a non-specific fault indicator that can be triggered in a range of different circumstances.

"As regards the purported solution to the supposed "yellow light" issue adopted by commercial repairers, effecting a reflow correctly, to the required engineering standards and in a properly controlled static-safe environment requires the use of an infra-red BGA soldering station, which must be set up and programmed to run at very specific temperature profiles. Each such station costs tens of thousands of pounds.

“Consequently, even if a yellow indicator/system shutdown were triggered by a soldering issue, it would be misleading for you to suggest to viewers that the basic solder reflow process you describe....is necessarily a reliable procedure when performed in that way, or that it can properly be done cheaply and quickly.

"It is standard practice for businesses in the electronics and many other consumer products sectors to provide free servicing/repairs only during the warranty period, but to charge for out of warranty repairs. It is therefore unfair to criticise Sony Computer Entertainment UK in this way."

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thevulture's picture

Interview with 1 of the people with dodgy PS3 featured on the show.HERE:

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/21/interview-watchdog-consumer-group...

Ben_Lathwell's picture

Im loving this series of Watchdog, this week a completely one sided report (read, barage against sony).

and the week before Anne Robinson getting put in her place by Duncan Banatyne.

They should change the name to "One sided, Daily Mail, Idiot Hour"

Alex Walker's picture

Just to point out those comparing the situation with the PS3 to that of the RRoD, you are comparing a general fault indicator to a very specific fault indicator. For the comparison to be fair, you'd need to compare it with every error code that the Ring of Light displays.

Jaumpasama's picture

Please people, any investigation that can end in better service from any company is good for you! Stop the madness!

christus11's picture

I do feel that the BBCs unbais coverage of this generation is questionable. This years E3 was covered in a similar manner to Edge's coverage......... ;)

nolim's picture

Sorry fanboys but i just don't see what all the fuss is about, the YLoD is an acknowledged problem for the PS3 and while it might not be as widespread as the RRoD was for M$ it's still worth reporting, you all seemed very happy when Watchdog pointed out the 360s failings, and who knows maybe the BBC calling them out will prompt Sony to extend the warranty. Having just watched the show (ironically using iPlayer on my ps3) it didn't seem any worse than the way they report on any other consumer issue.

michael_sylvain's picture

Do you not think that if Watchdog had called out Sony in a way that was well-researched, well-presented, and also engaged with their corporate response, then it would have been more likely to lead to Sony extending warranties?

Among the many problems with the Watchdog piece were the clear and stated bias (inexcusable from the BBC whether it's broadcasting on gaming or government), a lack of any meaningful hard evidence, the spoofy or stuntlike tone, and the way they simply brushed aside the company's response. If anything, it's counterproductive because it goes against the experience of many owners, and the response is thorough and clearly shows up the weakness of Watchdog's evidence.

I hadn't heard of the YLoD before this. I have had a PS3 die, and before that a PS2, both of which were replaced within 24 hours by Sony for free. I've an XBox (and a barely used Wii) that hasn't died yet, and if it does, I'll see how MS deal with it.

So I have no particular axe to grind about any of the companies. I do, however, have a problem with misleading and unrepresentative coverage of any issues from a public broadcaster with a clear charter at odds with its actions. I expect it from blogs, PR departments and the like, and that's what's behind the backlash here. Not hurt 'fanboys' but a reasonable response to unreasonable coverage. If watchdog covers all articles like this, as you suggest, then it's a problem the BBC should address. So using your own argument, complaints about this report might make it face up to its responsibilities, rather than throwing stones from its own glass house.

toadwarrior's picture

No one is saying that the PS3 is perfect. All hardware will have some failures. It's more about making a mountain out of a mole hill with sensationalist reporting from a tv network that doesn't even earn it's money. It just takes money from TV owners.

The 360 has over a 50% failure rate, the PS3, at best, seems to have a 10% failure rate. There is a big difference between pointing out the failings in a system that is quite likely to fail on you and one that quite likely won't.

nolim's picture

No-one is saying that Watchdog represents the height of journalistic integrity, they reported the PS3 story in much the same lackadaisical manner with which they approach any story. My point is that for those 10% who have suffered the YLoD any publicity has to be a good thing, maybe it will prompt Sony to act and either lower the cost of repair or extend the warranty. All this fuss from the fanboys is both counter productive and in many ways deeply ironic considering that they are the very same people who championed Watchdog when they reported the same story regarding the 360 for which M$ does offer a 3 year warranty. Funny how things change when the shoe's on the other foot.

thevulture's picture

As a PS3 and 360 owner.Not sure which camp the internet wants me to swear loyalty too.

Think most of us, being TV license payers are just appalled at what the BBC is passing off as investigative reporting.

Will they be doing a follow up- where they report on the so-called Expert repair team who 'fixed' the 10 PS3`s, only for 4 of these 10 to have since failed.?

THIS is from the TV show`s own website:-

'Has a company let you down? Are you being overcharged by your energy supplier? Watchdog wants to know. Every week Anne Robinson, Matt Allwright and Anita Rani investigate your stories, quizzing big businesses and testing claims made about some of their best-selling products. We hold companies to account and try to make sure you get what you bargained for..

Hmmn.'testing claims made' What? such as the ones they themselves brought up? Such as Fixed PS3 consoles? or Ones that had broken due to fault of manufactuer when 1 of these 10 had been altered by it`s owner.

Guess they are not so keen to be held to account themselves then.........

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nolim's picture

Why swear loyalty to either, it's not like they give you games for free. The point is that this is just the way Watchdog reports anything, and any publicity for YLoD sufferers has to be helpful, even if it's badly done it's still the BBC so will be taken far more seriously by Sony.

toadwarrior's picture

Hmm, I don't quite believe a news outlet that clearly shit stirs in their "Have your say" section, seems quite keen to promote their digital partner, Microsoft (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5390000.stm) and no one else seems to be talking about it.

Even by their own figures, there is an insignificant amount of people with an issue. We already know that PS3's have a failure rate of 10.6% which is actually higher than the numbers the BBC can come up with.

Sensationalising it by playing on the RRoD name is just shoddy journalism too. This is why I'm replacing my TV with a big ass monitor and going to stop paying my TV licence.

Ivor_Biguns's picture

Mate, you don't need to pay a TV license fee for your TV if it does not receive television signal. The license fee is for the signal not for owning the TV. So you could still keep your TV and not pay the license as long as it does not receive TV signal (i.e. not connected to freeview box etc). You just tell them it's a monitor for your console. I phoned them and they confirmed this.

edshot's picture

Surprise, fookin surprise. Cheers for the link - it has really opened my eyes to the BBC/Microsoft relationship.

Incidentally, on the page that you've linked to, if you find Top Technology Stories on the right, there's a link to: Developer Showcases New Halo Game. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259074.stm

Click on that and you'll find a whole bunch of stuff on Halo, with links to Bungie and Xbox.

WTF? Are British taxpayers paying BBC licence fees for them to advertise Microsoft products?

This isn't reporting new technology per se, this is BBC doing 'Official Xbox Magazine'. Tuning in to Watchdog last night, I feel I was just witness to some massive anti-Sony BS, with the BBC using one of their 'respected' consumer programmes to slag off Sony just as they're starting to get a grip on the market. I hope Sony come right back at them.

Ivor_Biguns's picture

I have just complained to Ofcom. I urge all free thinking gamers to do the same.

edshot's picture

I've heard a coupla things on Youtube about the mysterious YLOD, but this comes out just as Sony release their slim..............good timing? I don't doubt the poor people who've had the YLOD, but it's exposure right now looks just like dubious propaganda to me. Shame on Watchdog for making this out to be a far bigger deal than it is - it has to go some to beat Xbox's RROD numbers.

Another reason the BBC would want to slag off consoles and treat games consumers like assholes, is because for every one person playing a game is one person less watching the sh*te they broadcast.

For my part, I went through 4 Xbox's, one lasted a week. But I'm so lazy I can't be bothered to send birthday cards, let alone pack up and ship a console every now and again. So now I have my PS3. It sits there without a peep out of it. Completely silent and cool as a cucumber, it has behaved impeccably for over a year now and it's switched on virtually 24/7 - I just went for the console that treated me right.

Manolis's picture

This just in: Scientists from all over the world discovered that electronic products can break. Even those that are made by Sony.

Pheww! Glad i don't have one of those
*hugs his PS3*

Imagine if you bought a new 1200€ LCD-TV and find that it has some dead pixels on it, now that would really... oh wait

thevulture's picture

Did watchdog ever cover the 60Gb model Blu-ray drive`s failing? Know of a good few folks who had that happen to them. No yellow lights though.

James_Rendell's picture

A few days ago the BBC put this one up detailing how the Sale of Goods Act says that a device must be fit for purpose.

"For the first four-five weeks you have a "right of rejection" - if the item you've bought breaks down, you can demand a refund. For the next six months, you are entitled to replacement or repair of the goods. It is up to the retailer to prove there was nothing wrong with it if they wish to get out of having to do the work. And then after six months, there is still a duty to replace or repair faulty goods, but the onus is on you, the consumer, to prove that there was something wrong. And the key time span is six years. That's how long goods may be covered by the Sale of Goods Act."

So if you dropped in water then you're probably not going to get it replaced but if you can take it to a repair shop - let them diagnose the problem and prove that the goods are at fault and not you then you may have a strong case for replacement/repair. This applies to everything - washing machines etc. Check it out here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8253915.stm

Duncan_Stewart's picture

Anyone else notice that on the same day the BBC website posts their report on the watchdog PS3 YLoD there is also a massive column about the new Halo game which essentially reads like free advertising for Microsoft game studios. We all sometimes accuse this site of bias, maybe attentions should be moved to another site. Not that I would condone that sort of thing obviously....
Actually, screw it. The BBC is a public body funded by the licence fee and not a mouthpiece for any one company, this is shoddy journalism at best, and just a blatant plug at worst.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259074.stm

grognard66's picture

One look at the Sony forums and blog is enough to show that there's some validity to this report. Anyone with a long history of buying Sony products knows that they've long struggled with cold solder joints - particularly since the RoHS standards required lead-free manufacturing. I've had two Sony receivers which had the same problem (And just like my 360's I'll continue buying Sony receivers despite those issues because I I find the benefits outweigh the temporary inconvenience).

Independent repair firms in the US (the same ones that reported the 360 numbers all the Sony fans gave instant credence too) found PS3 defect rates to be over 10% - just one percent under the Jasper 360 model. My - what will Sony die-hards complain about now!

thevulture's picture

360/PS3 site just put THIS up:

Those of you that saw the BBC One show “Watchdog” yesterday will have seen the report on the PlayStation 3’s “Yellow Light of Death” issues. I watched it twice and was inspired, for the first time in my life, to write a complaint letter to a media outlet. This is that letter, published here but also on it’s way this morning (via proper post, if the postal service isn’t on strike again) to the BBC complaints department in Glasgow. If you were annoyed by the report for any sensible reason then I strongly urge you to do the same. The Television License Fee which funds the BBC now costs £147.50 per year which isn’t cheap in these hard times. What follows is the full transcript of my complaint letter and is obviously my personal opinion rather than the official stance of TheSixthAxis.

To Whom It May Concern,

I wish to address the most recent episode of the BBC’s consumer affairs program Watchdog (original broadcast date of 17 Sept 2009). In the episode there was a report concerning the Sony PlayStation 3 and the recent issues which have been widely reported by consumers concerning the “Yellow Light of Death” (YLoD).

I work as a blogging Editor within the gaming industry for a website which prides itself on accuracy and fairness. We report on the issues affecting gamers in the UK and Europe and have seen numerous reports of the so called YLoD. I believe that the problem is becoming widespread (chiefly, I believe, among launch consoles) and serious enough to warrant further investigation.

The news that Watchdog would be featuring such an investigation was welcome and I looked forward to the broadcast. I even read the published six-page letter that Sony Computer Entertainment UK (SCEUK) sent to the program to register their dissatisfaction at the way Watchdog had been handling the issue. This was, I believed, a big issue and it would be interesting to see how the BBC (a source I have always had the utmost respect for) would deal with it. Finally, I thought, a unifying voice that will be loud enough to demand action, or at least dialogue, from Sony.

So it was with a rapidly growing sense of disappointment that I watched the report. I am not a current affairs editor or producer with the BBC and I’m sure that our collective license fees pay far more experienced people to make these decisions so I am willing to admit that I may be wrong with my next sentiment. It’s just that I think starting a report by stating that the comedian you have hired may be biased as he works for the main competitor of the product might taint your report’s attempt to appear unbiased. Surely it would have been more appropriate to hire a reporter who might have had, at the very least, the appearance of an unbiased viewpoint?

In the interests of expediency I would like to avoid a detailed breakdown of all the errors in your report (although, if required, I will provide those at a later date) and instead discuss the generalities of the way you failed the consumers you proclaim to champion.

Firstly, you didn’t actually address what the problem was. There was no indication of why the problem occurred, no discussion of which models it was being reported for and no information regarding possible preventative measures. These are all things which would be invaluable to the consumers.

Secondly, you failed to mention that your “free” fix wasn’t actually free. Even if those engineers carried out your kerbside repairs without invoicing the BBC (which I sincerely doubt) they do not carry the repairs out for free to the general public. Most of those independent engineers will charge almost as much as Sony for repairs and the Sony repair comes with a short (but nevertheless useful) warranty period. This warranty period would be especially useful since, as you briefly mentioned in the report, the kerbside repairs carried out by Watchdog had a shocking failure rate themselves.

I’m sure your consumer group are glad they didn’t pay for the fleeting repairs and perhaps a little annoyed that the integrity of their system has been compromised by a third party meaning that any future (and once again necessary) repairs carried out by Sony will, most likely, now be un-guaranteed and more expensive.

So, to conclude, you screened a report with very little factual information, partially fronted by a comedian/presenter with a proclaimed (and seemingly jovially celebrated) bias against the product. You spent (I presume but would love to be corrected) license-payer’s money on badly carried out repairs to assist in your almost comedic take on a problem which I believe deserved more respect. You then skimmed over a six-page letter from SCEUK, summarising their lengthy (and apparently warranted) misgivings about the way you were handling the issue, in a few smirking sentences.

It seems to me that the only responsible and valuable thing to come out of the report was the brief request for more people to come forward if they experience the problem. Perhaps if you had made this request before recording the laughable report you would have had a weight of evidence to confront Sony with instead of a comedy stunt outside their offices. Perhaps if you had hired an extra researcher or two to investigate the issues instead of a presenter with an admitted bias to mock it you would have been able to get someone from Sony on the show to answer the complaints of the consumers.

I feel that you have failed at every turn with this issue and the way our license fees were used to fund it. I wish to register my immense dissatisfaction with the team involved and the BBC itself for broadcasting such a pathetic attempt at consumer affairs journalism.

As if the poorly conceived, badly executed and embarrassingly vague report wasn’t bad enough you then closed out the report with an awful comedy song. I’m a fan of gaming and a fan of Johnny Cash so my opinion may lose some objectivity here but it pains me to think that public money is paying for that am-dram drivel.

Sincerely,

Peter Chapman

savagehenry's picture

Good letter Peter thank you for sharing it with us.

How inaccurate, biased and deliberately antagonistic could the BBC be? And for crying out loud! Ian Lee the official Microsoft square basher himself? Then they rock up outside Sony headquarters and rub their noses in it. So, so childish and totally unnecessary. I'd quite like to read Sony's letter of response if you could link us that would be great. I'm sure that makes for entertaining reading.

I can't remember Watchdog jumping all over Microsoft during the RROD problems a couple of years back - please somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

thevulture's picture

SONY`s letter to Watchdog:

Dear XXXX

BBC Watchdog – 17 September 2009

Further to your recent correspondence with our PR agency and parent company, I am writing to respond to your queries in connection with the edition of Watchdog that is scheduled for broadcast on Thursday 17 September 2009. I should state at the outset that we are, of course, disappointed if a small number of our consumers appear to have experienced problems with their PlayStation 3 units outside the manufacturer’s warranty period and we take our customer care obligations very seriously. It is for this reason that SCEUK operates a service of out of warranty repair or replacement (replacement with a refurbished unit within 48 hours at the consumer’s convenience by courier). To be clear, this service is subsidised by SCEUK, there is no profit made by SCEUK on this service.

You have informed us that this broadcast will include a report concerning faults alleged to affect PlayStation®3 consoles, and SCEUK’s policy on out-of-warranty (OOW) repairs. Most importantly, we entirely refute the suggestion that PS3 consoles have an inherent defect or other design issue which is akin to any warranty issue experienced by another console manufacturer. SCEUK has sold 2.5 million consoles in the UK since March 2007 and stands by the quality of its products. Clearly the allegations you propose to air in your program might have the potential to adversely effect Sony Computer Entertainment’s reputation for supplying high quality products and customer service and we take very seriously any issues that can impact the public’s or our customers’ confidence in those products.

From the correspondence to date, I have serious concerns as to the accuracy of these allegations and the likely tone of the Watchdog report. The information that you have provided suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of the technical issues and a mis-characterisation of SCEUK’s OOW repairs policy. It is in all parties’ interests that your reporting does not contain inaccurate or distorted information and the facts are presented in a manner which is not misleading or exaggerated. I trust the detailed information in this letter will enable the BBC to adopt a more balanced and sober approach to this issue than we have experienced to date.

1. You have indicated that a number of viewers had contacted you to complain about a fault affecting their PS3 systems, whereby “a yellow light appears and their console then stops working – anecdotally called the ‘yellow light of death’” (your email of 18 August 2009).

2. You clarified in your letter of 25 August 2009 that the majority of those viewers had experienced problems with the 60GB launch model of the PS3. In that letter, you went on to say that, after examining three PS3 systems that had “displayed symptoms” of this fault, the consultancy Electronics Yorkshire noted the presence of higher levels of voids in soldering than would have been expected, in the case of two of those units. Your letter continued: “These voids can be problematic in some cases, but by no means in all cases. In some instances,… these voids can fracture at the inter-metallic interface… If this fracture was to occur on a vital connection, it would stop the console from working. [Electronics Yorkshire] is of the opinion that this problem [presumably: excessive voiding] has occurred during the manufacturing process and not as a result of consumer use or a thermal effect during use.”

3. Your letter went on to say that, in the opinion of three commercial repairers of PS3 systems, the supposed “‘yellow light of death’ fault is caused by a soldering issue”.

4. With respect, neither your letter of 25 August nor any other information you have provided (including the Electronics Yorkshire report) establishes that there is such a thing as a “‘yellow light of death’ fault”. In this regard:

The phrase “yellow light of death” has been adopted by certain members of the online community to describe the situation in which PS3 systems have shut down following the illumination of the yellow light on the PS3’s front panel. The yellow indicator is simply a non-specific fault indicator that can be triggered in a range of different circumstances. For example, it could indicate a problem caused or exacerbated by the console’s power supply, by overheating, by poor ventilation, by software issues or by any one of a range of issues that may inevitably affect any complex item of consumer electronics.

SCEUK has run searches of its customer complaints/warranty database to identify the number of reports made to it regarding instances of system shutdown or failure in circumstances where the front panel yellow indicator is illuminated. The results show that of all PS3s sold in the UK to date, fewer than one half of one per cent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated. As Watchdog has a very high awareness amongst the UK audience, it isn't surprising that some people have contacted you with regard to this issue. However we think it is highly unfair to suggest that from an installed base of 2.5 million that the numbers you mention somehow are evidence of a 'manufacturing defect'.

The comparison with other console warranty issues is wholly inappropriate, in circumstances where – as here, and as discussed further below – there is no evidence of a manufacturing voiding defect affecting any PS3s; where the voiding identified by the expert contacted by the BBC is within the tolerance levels set out by the applicable IPC standard; and where that expert analysis considered a sample of only three units and reached no firm conclusions as to the existence of a defect that could be detrimental to device operation.

5. The technical evidence that you have provided to support the assertion that there is a manufacturing defect affecting PS3s comes from two sources. First, you rely on anecdotal reports made by the three repairers whom you have contacted. As discussed further below, evidence provided by organisations of this sort who have a commercial interest in the repair of electronic goods must be treated with caution. Second, you have asked Electronics Yorkshire, a respected not-for-profit testing house, to carry out testing on a small number of reportedly failed units. We understand Electronics Yorkshire did not produce a written report and you have provided a summary of your understanding from an interview with the relevant person. As regards the Electronics Yorkshire analysis:

The testing concerned a sample of only three PS3s, which cannot, on any basis, be deemed to be representative of a UK user base of [c. 2.5 million]. One of these had in addition been materially altered by the owner.

The report identified “higher levels of voids than expected” in only two of these three units, which is itself sufficient to suggest that the technical hypothesis set out in your letter of 25 August 2009 (namely, that solder voids cause system failure) is incorrect. If this were the case, wouldn’t “higher levels of voids than expected” have been present in all three units?

Mr Burnley does not indicate the basis on which he considered that voiding at the levels seen – which, by his own admission, in no case exceeded 25 per cent sphere mass – were higher than he expected. In fact, assuming Mr Burnley is applying IPC standard A-610D (Acceptability of Electronic Assemblies, February 2005), that standard makes clear that “25% or less voiding in a ball x-ray image area” means that the product in question meets the relevant criterion for compliance. Although we have not been given the opportunity to confirm these results, Mr Burnley’s findings appear to show the voiding levels in the consoles he examined to be below industry-accepted levels.

Most importantly, nothing in the report supports the conclusion that voiding was the cause of the problems reported as affecting the units in question. Indeed, the report specifically noted that: “Mr Burnley could not say if these voids would be detrimental to the device operation, as this can not be determined by x-ray, but he said that they have the potential to be detrimental.” The other language that he chose to use (e.g. “These voids can be problematic in some cases, but by no means all cases”) is likewise extremely cautious.

6. The BBC simply has no technical basis for asserting that the supposed “yellow light” issue results from a defect in the manufacture of PS3s, in circumstances where the BBC’s own technical expert is unwilling or unable to say that voiding (which is, in any event, within recognised industry tolerance) is problematic per se, or that it would have affected device operation in the case of even this small sample of units. All the more so, given the low level of complaints or warranty claims received by SCEUK on this score. Nor does the technical data justify the negative and hostile tone of the planned broadcast.

7. Overall, the allegations outlined in the correspondence to date are simply not substantiated by the technical data collected in support. Given the commercial and reputational harm that unsupported allegations of this sort may do to Sony and the PS3 brand, I would hope that the BBC exercises appropriate caution before leaping to conclusions or creating a “scare” among PS3 users by broadcasting such allegations on national television.

8. Customers who purchase a PS3 benefit from a manufacturer’s one-year warranty, which is standard industry practice.

9. If a PS3 develops a fault during the warranty period, the customer can contact SCEUK, who will organise collection and supply of a refurbished unit (typically within 24-48 hours) by courier at the consumer’s convenience, free of charge. Under the terms of the warranty, customers are advised to make regular back-ups of the data they have stored on their PS3 and, in particular, to do so before submitting their console for warranty service.

10. Once the warranty period has elapsed, the customer will be charged £128 (inclusive of VAT). This figure reflects the cost of repairing a PS3 to the high standard required and includes a door-to-door courier exchange service and other general administrative costs. SCEUK does not profit from this service; in fact, it operates it at a loss in order to offer customers with OOW PS3s the best price possible.

11. Sony has invested substantially in creating state-of-the-art diagnostic and servicing facilities to support both in-warranty and OOW repairs. As regards the purported solution to the supposed “yellow light” issue adopted by commercial repairers, effecting a reflow correctly, to the required engineering standards and in a properly controlled static-safe environment requires the use of an infra-red BGA soldering station, which must be set up and programmed to run at very specific temperature profiles. Each such station costs tens of thousands of pounds. The diagnostic equipment required to test that the solder has been performed correctly costs a similar amount.

12. Consequently, even if a yellow indicator/system shutdown were triggered by a soldering issue/voiding, it would be misleading for you to suggest to viewers that the basic solder reflow process you describe in your letter to Susan Pluckrose of 7 September 2009 is necessarily a reliable procedure when performed in that way, or that it can properly be done cheaply and quickly1.

13. Various commercial organisations not authorised by SCEUK provide repairs to PS3s and other consumer electronic devices. For example, eSales, Inc. (trading as “The PlayStation Pros”) – who, you informed us, participated in the “PlayStation Repair Action Team” activity which you recently staged in Great Marlborough Street (see below) – charge customers £103.50 (inclusive of VAT) to repair and return customers’ PS3s which (in the company’s words) are affected by the “yellow light of death”2. This figure is only £24.50 less than the cost to the customer of high-quality SCEUK repair, conducted using state-of-the-art equipment. In addition the consumer needs to arrange and bear the cost of getting the console to this organisation.

14. Importantly, it is clear that third party repairers will profit from any public concern that is raised about the reliability of the PS3 (as indicated by the use of language on their websites3), and have an interest in criticising SCEUK’s after sales service (despite the relatively small price differential in their own service offering). The BBC will therefore doubtless wish to exercise caution before relying on anecdotal evidence, provided by them, concerning the extent or cause of these issues. The “PlayStation Repair Action Team” stunt

15. On 1 September 2009, BBC Watchdog filmed technicians from eSales, Inc. carrying out repairs to PS3 units affected by the supposed “yellow light” issue. It was emphasised that this service was carried out free of charge, and that SCEUK does not carry out OOW servicing free of charge. For example, as is evident from stills available on the internet4, the van in which the technicians worked was clearly labelled: “PlayStation Repair Action Team – SONY charge a fee – let Watchdog repair it for free” (emphasis as original).

16. I would ask you to think very seriously before including this segment in any report that is broadcast:

The premise behind this stunt (i.e., that SCEUK charge a repair fee whereas commercial repairers do not) is demonstrably false. As noted, the commercial repairers who occupied that van, and others like them, do not provide free servicing as a matter of routine. Indeed, their business model involves providing unauthorised servicing at only a minimal discount to the approved servicing provided by SCEUK. The BBC should not allow its agenda to be influenced by third party commercial interests who stand to benefit from revenue generated by repair fees.

It is standard practice for businesses in the electronics and many other consumer products sectors to provide free servicing/repairs only during the warranty period, but to charge for OOW repairs. It is therefore unfair to criticise SCEUK in this way.

The slogan on the van is in any event misleading, in that SCEUK does not charge any fee for in-warranty repairs/replacement.

Further as regards that slogan, if BBC Watchdog is indeed providing PS3 servicing at its own cost, then this is a questionable use of the licence fee, and one which may breach the BBC’s Charter. If, on the other hand, the eSales, Inc. technicians involved in this stunt were, on this occasion, providing their services gratis, then we trust that this segment of the programme, if broadcast, will provide full details to viewers of eSales, Inc’s usual terms, conditions and pricing, so as to permit viewers fairly to assess to whom they should turn in the event that they require an OOW repair for their PS3.

Finally, this stunt as a whole (and, in particular, the use of the acronym “PRAT”) treats with inappropriate levity an issue which may do serious damage to SCEUK and the Sony and PS3 brands. BBC’s duty

17. As a publicly-funded broadcaster, the BBC is under a duty to licence-payers to preserve its impartial editorial stance. It also has a duty of fairness towards SCEUK. Should the BBC decide to include an item on the PS3 in the 17 September edition of Watchdog, it will therefore wish to make sure that the issues you have raised in correspondence receive as accurate, fair and balanced a treatment as possible.

18. I regret to say that neither the correspondence to date, nor the “PlayStation Repair Action Team” stunt, have given me much confidence that you are treating this issue fairly. If the report is broadcast in what appears to be its current form, SCEUK will scrutinise its accuracy and will take all necessary steps to protect its reputation and that of the PS3. Unsupported and potentially misleading allegations of the sort that the BBC appears, from the correspondence to date, to be planning to make concerning the reliability of the PS3 could do significant commercial and reputational harm to Sony and its brands. This is particularly so, given the recent, highly successful launch of the new, slimmer model PS3 and the fact that the last quarter of the year is the busiest sales period for the consumer electronics industry.

Yours sincerely,

Ray Maguire,

Senior Vice President and Managing Director UK

savagehenry's picture

Wow thanks Vulture, that's an epic letter.

The BBC have taken it upon themselves to be judge jury and execution without any real technical basis for doing so and instead of broadcasting the facts in an unbiased and balance fashion, their reportage is blatantly antagonistic and sensationalist.

The fact that the BBC chose highlight issues with the 60gb, which in my recollection was a problematic anyway and was discontinued in favor of the 40gb model. Which had a slightly revised hardware specification, please correct me if I am wrong, didn't this version have a high propensity for overheating?

Instead of heeding the advise of Sony themselves they've taken advise from commercial electronics houses to build the basis of this report, in doing so choosing aspects that highlight the negative. Completely glossing over the fact that it is standard practice to repair out of warrantee machines at cost to the user (a mere £128) and in terms of in warrantee machines they provide a swap out service with a 48hour turn around. It's nothing more than scar mongering and completely slanderous.

I wouldn't say that Sony are going to hurt by this, considering they've just launch they're newest hardware revision. Although, I guess at this stage it remains to be seen whether the hardware will stand up as time passes on.

In terms of the letter above, Sony have made themselves extremely clear and have done so in a moderate and balance way and to be fair I would expect better from the BEEB. I stand with Sony on this one, having always been extremely impressed with their customer service and the quick turn around in getting re-conditioned consoles. (I'm on my third 40gb)

thevulture's picture

My humble pleasure.

Differences between 60Gb and 40Gb models, in terms of heat etc:

'It's been revealed that the new 40GB PlayStation 3 features more than just a cut down hard disk drive. Sony has also thought to stick the 65nm version of the Cell inside the new console, reducing the power usage down to around 135 Watts (down from 200 Watts.) That means the console also runs cooler and quieter, which is always a plus for a device that usually resides in the living room. Sony also jiggled around a few other components by making the heat pipe smaller, swapping out the motherboard for a new version'

Also, notice the cooling vents in different position. Runs very quiet as well.

PS3 slim?

' PS3 Slim was reported as running on 34% less power than the previous model was still appreciated. Thing is, that figure is wrong.
Crave decided not to take Sony's press releases at their word, and instead plugged a Slim into machines to test its actual power output. And their findings are a little surprising!
The Slim uses a lot less power than Sony have given it credit for. In standby mode, it's around 70% more efficient, while playing games and Blu-Rays its just over 50% more efficient.
That's not to say its an efficient machine per se (it still uses 4x as much juice playing a Blu-Ray as a standalone Blu-Ray player), but hey, in relative terms, the Slim is now a lot more efficient than it's fatter, older, more wasteful brother.'

And THIS from tonight`s GameCentral Letters page, regarding the watchdog show/report:-

GC: We've had less than a dozen letters about it since the PS3 launch. Has Watchdog ever mentioned the red ring of death? We only remember them going on about the, far less prevalent, disc scratching problems of the Xb

thevulture's picture

Not sticking up for SONY, but just look at watch dogs so-Called research into this:

1)Watchdog’s research for the piece amounted to just 155 complaints and a technical report sent to Sony was based on only three YLOD’d consoles, one of which had already been ‘fixed’ by the user.

So out of the 3...1 the owner had been messing with? Oh right, so IF i tamper with my 360 or car etc, then it`s not my fault? LOL.

2) Watchdog themselves admitted that four of the consoles ‘repaired’ by their team out of the ten or so were no longer working suggesting that their method of fixing them didn’t work after all, and given the programme’s best attempt to prove that the PS3 ‘costs’ £528 (£400, apparently, for the console plus £128 for the repair) there was a distinct lack of credibility to the article.

Typical media scaremongering.Yet.Again.

Twyford's picture

Sony take the Apple approach of "pretend nothing is wrong and ignore all complaints". Stealthbadger the <0.5% that Sony quoted was (according to another site) for YLOD while the PS3 was under warranty, I don't know why they wouldn't just give a YLOD percentage for all Sony repaired PS3's, the conspiracy theorist in me likes to think it's because it's a much bigger figure after the 1 year warranty is up.

As for MS, they addressed/tried to address the issue, refunded people for the repair (over £120 to repair the PS3 is a rip off) and extended the warranty at great cost to the company.

Rob's picture

I don't think anyone is as bad as Apple when it comes to admitting problems. I haven't had any problems from my 60GB but I have had issues with other Sony products.

ArronC07's picture

Only after 18 months of consumer actions, threats of class lawsuits that had a great chance of succeeding and the threat of an EU investigation and MS still haven't discussed actual numbers.

Sony would be wise however to deal with this situation as carefully as possible and be quick to act should this apparently small issue start to look like it's bigger than originally thought.

Duncan_Stewart's picture

All sounds like a Microsoft conspiracy to me. I am one of the guys on that Watchdog programme was Bill Gates in a fake beard...! I've not come across anyone I know with PS3's complaining of a yellow light of death, but I have heard of a few disc read errors. Very isolated though I must state.

savagehenry's picture

We should give Sony the benefit of the doubt here, maybe they're conducting their own tests to see if such a problem exists and what the cause might be. Damn unlucky if you have to put your hand in you pocket and pay £128.

Sony's machine hasn't been devoid of problems. I'm sure there is more than a few here that can testify. Hardware failures with Next gen consoles seems to be the norm these days. I guess that's the price to pay when you put all that sensitive electronic equipment in a small hot space.

Until the word comes straight from the horses mouth I'm sure most of us with warrantees about to run out will be waiting eagerly to see the outcome. It'll be alright if any faults happen within said warrantee as Sony have a excellent return and replace policy. If not you could say that this is another great reason to invest in the "Continuous Play" service.

thevulture's picture

Continous play? That was stopped though:

Dear Continuous Players, we set up this service ultimately to provide a fast, efficient and cost effective way to ensure that your experience with PlayStation 3 & PSP was as seamless and hassle free as possible. Unfortunately, some individuals have chosen to abuse this service and as a consequence we feel that we have no option but to suspend Continuous Play and postpone acceptance of new Continuous Play plans until further notice. We will of course honour existing customer's policies and look to amend the existing provision so that it is less vulnerable to exploitation. Sincere apologies

PlayStation Team

Is it back 'On' again? now slim has launched?.........

Alex Walker's picture

The Xbox has been on before, and since then Microsoft has announced a 3 year warranty, and then extended it to cover another problem.

Why would it have featured again?

StealthBadger's picture

I just thought it was strange to feature a product over hardware failure when it's main rival has a much worse hardware failure rate.

If we imagine that volvo's had a 0.5% chance of breaking down, while saab's had around 50% chance (and that no other car brands were available, because we all love scandinavian motors), then it would be strange to feature the volvo failures on the program, even if the saab's had already been featured years ago.

Still, I guess that the issue is more to do with sony's response to the failures, which sounds less than ideal.

StealthBadger's picture

This seems interesting. I can't say I've ever heard of YLOD. Has anybody here heard of it?

Anyway, I don't want to draw this into a massive argument, but I do find it a little strange that watchdog have decided to discuss this YLOD thing, which I don't think is widely known about (apparently <0.5% fail rate), but has never mentioned (have googled the watchdog archive) RROD(apparently >50% fail rate) since feb 2007.

christus11's picture

Yes i have, but thats because i got it. On the 2nd september this year my 60gb wouldnt turn on, every time it would flash a yellow light followed by flashing red.
I contacted sony, who although helpful did charge me £128 for a replacement. I do feel a little cheated because a) i cleaned the vents weekly to keep air flow good b) the console was only 18mnths old c) i have spent a rediculous amount of money on sonys stuff and then they basically slapped me in the face and said "that doesnt matter, its out of warrenty so u have to pay"