Independent UK games retailers Chips and Grainger Games are downbeat about Sony’s PSP Go release plans.
Neither retailer has received any pre-orders for the new handheld – which has yet to be officially priced in the UK, but will retail for $249 and €249 in the US and Europe upon its October 1 release – following the system’s official unveiling at E3 earlier this month.
“From my point of view I’ve got to think, ‘Do I want to stock this?’ Right now I can’t see any justification for stocking it,” Chips’ joint MD Don McCabe told us. “Certainly I’m not getting the response from consumers. Normally when a new piece of kit is launched or announced I’ll get a multitude of people saying ‘As soon as that comes out I want one of those.’ [Potential] first adopters are on the phone within seconds of it being announced and you’ve got your pre-orders. I don’t have a single pre-order for PSP Go at the moment.”
Pushed on whether Chips might opt not to stock PSP Go across its 30 UK stores, McCabe said: “It’s a distinct possibility at the moment. If suddenly I get a wealth of pre-orders then I’ll reconsider my position, but right now I would have to say that it’s not our intention to stock the product at this point in time.”
Chris Harwood, a Grainger Games director and the company’s purchasing boss, told us that the company will be stocking PSP Go in small quantities.
“We haven’t got any [PSP Go pre-orders] at all,” he said, adding, “I think we’ll have to stock it just for the customers that want it. For something like a new console we have to give the customer the option.”
The console will likely be offered at “basically” Grainger’s cost price, so while the retailer is likely to make just a small margin - if any - on each sale, it’s reluctant to turn customers away. “So we’ll probably still have the PSP Go, but we’ll probably start with a small campaign, and then stock them as we need them in very little numbers.”
While PSP Go’s UK pricing has yet to be determined, leading national retailer Game is currently taking pre-orders for the portable at a “guide price” of £229.99, with just a little over three months to go until release.
Grainger currently sells just five PSPs a week across its 21 North East UK-based outlets, according to Harwood, who says he’s surprised by PSP Go’s prospective £200-£230 price tag.
“It seems really high, especially the way PSP’s going at the moment,” he said. “The models they’ve got out now are struggling at basically £129, pretty much [the] cost price, which we’re putting them out at, and they’re not selling through at that. We’re trying to do some bundles just to push them through and the PSP just seems to have died as a format really… Nothing sells at the minute on PSP.”
Assuming the PSP Go costs between £200 and £230 upon release, McCabe feels the “price is too expensive… I can only go from the response from the consumers,” he said. “It’s not so much that I don’t think the price is justified, but it’s the customers who pay the money and they don’t think it’s justified. We can’t see where that price justification comes in when effectively it’s a lighter, slimmer PSP. It’s got a bit more memory, but memory’s not that expensive. It can’t handle UMD so part of the mechanism disappears, so where does the price come from? To be honest I don’t have an answer for the customers at the moment.”
McCabe’s comments echo those of leading industry analyst Michael Pachter, of Wedbush Morgan Securities, who reacted to Sony’s PSP go announcement by suggesting the platform holder was “ripping off the consumer.”
"$249 is too much, period," he said post-E3. "The $169 PSP-3000 is a profitable device. They make money, so it costs less than that. The disc assembly for a UMD costs more than 16 gigs of flash does. So this new device doesn't cost them as much to make as the PSP-3000 and they jack the price up $80… They're making a lot more money on the PSP Go than they’re making on the PSP-3000."
Pachter later said that he regretted his choice of words, but maintained his belief that the announced PSP Go “price point is too high to generate more than a few million unit [sales].”
Like Grainger, Chips generates little margin on hardware sales. McCabe’s also less than enthused about the system’s download-only software business model.
“At the moment [PSP hardware and software sales represent] about five to six per cent of our overall turnover. You’d never throw that sort of percentage away – they’re not flying machines but they’re nice and steady. [But] on hardware [alone] you make next to no money and in some instances we actually lose money on each piece of hardware we sell, so if you’re going to just sell a piece of hardware and then never see that customer again, from a retail point of view you might as well just shoot yourself in the head.”
In stark contrast to UK independent game stores, Sony Computer Entertainment America’s director of PlayStation Network operations, Eric Lempel, recently went as far as to say that US retailers are “embracing” PSP Go.
As well as suggesting that the platform holder will release new PSP Go peripherals in the future – which McCabe argues count for little more than fairly insignificant one-off purchases - Lempel said that US stores are doing “a pretty good PlayStation card business.” The executive was referring to prepaid PlayStation Network cards, available in $20 and $50 denominations, which customers can purchase and then redeem to download games. While no plans have been announced to introduce PSN cards in Europe, Harwood and McCabe would both support such a move by Sony.
“You need to see some sort of revenue streams coming off the back of these machines, otherwise from a retail point of view it’s just not worth it, and so Sony will need to come up with some sort of mechanism so that if we’re going to sell the machine it’s beneficial to ourselves and to our customers,” said McCabe.
Well, I guess price is a moot point now.
There are a lot of, unofficial - so don't hold me to it, talks that say the Zune HD will launch at $249.
That gives you - 600 MHz Tegra - graphic slightly better than XboxONE, 256MB RAM - like iPhone 3GS, 16GB flash, & OLED touchscreen
Even if you prefer buttons, I do, I think the buzz around this will seriously hamper the GO. If the Zune HD hits this price-point, the GO won't be $249 for long.....err $370, Sorry Brits.
in years to come everything is going to be digital downloaded, retailers are understandably getting the huff as they wont be making as much money.
If the iPhone had some proper buttons with which to control the onscreen action then both the DS and PSP would be in a lot of trouble.
Smartphones are the future. Will there even be another generation of hand held games devices?
why on earth would you stock it if you were a game store? you may as well put up a closing soon sign in the window...
i have a psp and a dslite, i like them both but i have absolutely no intention of purchasing a PSPgo or a DSi.
i could not be less interested in a current product than i am with the PSPgo. why would i want to get something that will make redundant a swag of UMD games i've got sitting around? i also really feel that they are over estimating the amount of people that want all their games to be trapped as files and purchased online...
at least the current iteration offers choice...i like choice.
The PSP has a good line-up of games arriving this Q4 2009 such as;
LittleBigPlanet
Gran Turismo
Assassins Creed
Rock Band Unplugged
Dissidia: Final Fantasy
Soul Calibur
Jak and Daxter
MotorStorm: Arctic Edge
Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars
Buzz
and many many more...
Also next year there are brand new Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid titles (the former with Kojima 'heavily' involved) arriving. Further we should not underestimate the reduction in PSP dev kits and the move into Digital Distribution for developers; which could open the floodgates for Portable games.
As long as they keep the 'slim and light' on the market for 129.99 GBP they should be ok. As for the 'GO', it is a risk, but one that needs to be taken. Strategically it is important for Sony to get off physical media and into networked devices. Furthermore, in terms of the PSN this is strategically important in the sense of getting more users onto the network and growing it so it can be leveraged onto other Sony devices in the future. The price is clearly an issue; it is hard to justify over 200 GBP for a portable for sure; but in Europe, Japan and the USA the pricing is much better and more competitive. However we must bear in mind; Sony has not mentioned anything specific on the PSP Go price in the UK! Let us wait and see at least should we not? Surely this is sensible?
As for the hardware, the Go is an amazing looking system...hint; go lookup PSP Go on Youtube and Flickr; the closest thing so far to real-life representation. And it has finally nailed the problem with the PSP; the ironic fact that it was not very portable in the first place thanks to its width!
so sure there are some great games in there and some crap
(why on earth would you play buzz on a PSP)
but:
...how long before they fill your memory? (yeah, i loved having to swap games off my wii before they fixed that problem...that was awesome fun)
...can i resell?
...can i trade?
...why would i pay that much?
and the hardware...sorry have to disagree, it looks ok, nothing more maybe less.
actually looks a lot like one of their phones...
doesn't solve what i thought was the biggest problems with the old one which are the fragility of the system and the fact that screen is scratch bait.
I keep hearing people say that the PSP isn't very portable. I keep mine in my pocket. It seems to be pretty portable to me.
Are you a massive-combated goth?!
I can't fit my DS in my pocket (but i do wear skinny jeans, and struggle to fit my wallet in my pocket..)
Nope.
But if you can't fit your wallet in your pocket, you're buying pretty weird pants, or have a hugely over sized wallet.
Or I just have too much cash! (which, gatting back on topic, would be the only situation in which I'd splash out on a Go!)
I think as soon as I see a go in the flesh I'll probably want one. I'm pretty up for one although I want to upgrade my iPhone 3G to 3GS but with 6 months of contract left I can't. The guy in the o2 shop tried to sell me a 32gig one on pay as you go for £570!!! You have to ne facking joking right?? So £230 for a go seems pretty good in comparrison. Lets wait and see. I'm not writing off either devices. And hell, I might even have both eventually ;-)
He'll still stock them. He's just mad no one's breaking down his doors for pre-orders because - A: No Free Revenue & B: No Free Marketing
He will actually have to spend money on marketing to figure out how many he wants stock. Which means he'll have to take a gamble. Good for him. Welcome to business.
Of course nobody's preordering! People only do this when they've deified a product before release. Before you've got the thing, you can imagine a device that'll do everything from play games to cook breakfast after giving you a happy ending. Sony has spent a lot of money making sure everybody in all corners of the globe know that nothing has changed from the original PSP; save the ergonomics of the thing. They've gone to great lengths to ensure any fevered excitement be normalized as not to eclipse the original device, and to that end, they've succeeded.
Meanwhile, the new iPhone's less money, & twice as powerful; securing more practical consumers. Microsoft is releasing the Zune HD at the same time. They've given almost no information whatsoever, save an OLED screen, iPhone design, & an Xbox-like games. This secures the deifying, fanatical consumers. One can only imagine it will be better. Not even Sony's saying it isn't.
We probably wouldn't even be having the price argument if Sony wasn't so scared to alienated the PSP. They would've generated maxium excitement & people would be killing each other for it. Although I can't believe they did nothing! It's not like the PSP was an epic fail. At 50 million units, I think they can consider it a "job well done" & move on. They've even had to work harder to make the device worse. By Sony's own admission, they rehashed old Mylo's to make the GO - meaning they had to, systematically, remove every Mylo touch screen & replace it with a standard LCD!...Way to go Sony.
I think there's an "n" missing in "deified" there?
Also, I don't mean to be rude, but LOL, you really think Sony are re-using old Mylo screens for the Go? (Which is what your last bolded sentence seems to say to me, sorry if I'm miss-understanding)
When they say "rehashed" I'm sure they're just talking about the design rather than actual physical units, you do realise they are a different size & resolution, right ...?
No - to deify something means you attached "God-like" attributes to a thing. It's a minor exaggeration regarding gamers, including myself, to imagine unrealistic qualities in products, but good looking out.
Sony said they would use the old molds from Mylo, & even cannibalize many of the unsold ones - they apparently need only be slightly modified; so yes, oddly enough they will actually be removing the $1 dollar touch screen skin that allowed for resistive input. It's not connected to the LCD, so resolution's unimportant; but it doesn't matter. It's not a money issue. It is a conscious effort to make the GO equal in quality to the 3000.
Well ... + points for you for using a word like deified, - points for me for reading comprehension [redface].
I'm still finding it difficult trying to understand how they are gonna be reusing the Mylo screens/molds, if you've read anything you can post a link to I'd appreciate it. It's interesting to me on an engineering level as there's several changes that would need applying to the screens (physical size, resolution, aspect ratio (they look different to me anyway) colour bit-depth ), sounds like more than a slight modification to me, and I'm curious as to how they approached doing so.
You could be right, & the only thing cannibalize - actual term I read used, could simply refer to hinges, rivets, & melting plastic. The molds will just be re-plated; so that's easy enough.
Even so, I think I could argue Sony every decision they made on this device except touchscreen. It is incredibly cheap to implement. Even on the fan-made device Pandora, the developers were trying to decide whether or not to include a touchscreen, & said they found it was just as cheap to have one as not.
Sony is, most likely, manufacturing their own. Even so, the cost of including a touch input would be next to nothing.
It's a joke that the PSP Go is going to cost £230. But with this being the UK, it's renowned for high prices and there's enough idiots out there who're willing to shell out £230 for a portable PS2 that's got hardly any games, hardly any good games, it's swarming with PS2 ports. If Sony phased out the PSP I don't think many people would be bothered.
i think no one is going to lose with the PSP GO apart from sony.
if the price tag is too dear for consumers to embrace, sony will have a pretty awkward launch campaign; retailers don't lose much because the PSP brand is not their main soruce of profit anyway; consumer don't lose anthing because PSP GO is not a brand new console, the only thing new it brings to the table is bluetooth, which let's be honest, isn't the deciding factor for consumers to make a purchase.
£200-£230 is simply asking too much, Pachter didn't need to regret his choice of words in my opinioin because what he said was true, Sony is ripping off the consumers.
These guys will change their mind soon enough when Gran Turismo PSP hits the same day of release in UK...
I think retailers are the one stoping pre orders lol
What makes you say that?
Hmm...£299.99 gets you a PS3 with a couple of decent games. What the heck does £229.99 get you? Apart from RSI...(it hardly looks like the most comfortable thing to hold!).
How are Game taking pre-orders? I can't see anything on their website...unless it's only done through their stores.
Also, since when does an organisation that runs "21 North East UK-based outlets" become an authority on the workings of the entire UK gaming retail industry?
a couple of decent games? maybe have a closer look please :)
They aren't.
Just realised that goes for both questions.
It's true. Grainger games is pretty good though. Usually quite substantially cheaper than Game or Gamestation. I remember when it was just a single market stall in the grainger market! ahhhhhhh. (Stealthbadger drifts off into whimsy)
Well, it is the portable gaming console from Sony, so it is living on the coat tails of it's big brother; with portable price hiking, and portable fleecing of the customer. Sony have an awful track record for ripping off the UK consumer, but now even loyal fans of the brand are starting to ask some serious questions of this company. They still don't seem to have absorbed the fact that their global marketing strategy is discussed across it's self imposed trading barriers by people on forums. Having said that, I seriously hope they sack said marketing people and get somebody in with a brain cell. We are seeing ominous signs from MS as to what they would do if they cornered the market. Postage stamp jpgs with prices above that of full blown games on Apples app store, is just the thin end of the wedge.
If I was going to get a PSP-Go. I'd have to consider an imported version. With the exchange rates as it is you could get one for substantially less money. But that's only if it hasn't been region locked, which no doubt it will be.
It's difficult to see how they can justify such a hefty price tag. I'm in the mind that Sony could be testing the water with this "Guide" price. If a PSP was on the cards for me it wouldn't be a Go at this stage unless Sony start making it sound more attractive.
As much as I like the Sony Playstation 3, I have no idea what this bonkers decision to run to handhelds parallel to one another, is at all justified? I presume Nintendo haven't done this with DS and DSi, I assume that the DS has been dropped from the roster?
I certainly agree with Poffle. Sony should have let the PSP3000 run for a couple of years then considered a revision.
I believe they still sell the DSLite. I have no intention of getting a Go! at this price. Then again, I probably wouldn't have got one anyway. Before a long trip last autumn i decided to buy a handheld, and the PSP just didn't stand up against the DSLite.
As soon as sony put a $*^#ing sim card slot in a PSP, i'm an immediate adopter. Prior to that, i'll stick to my ds.
I went with the DSLite also, it's seemed the most appealing at the time and is fun to play with. Plus lot of my family caught the DS bug a couple of years' ago, so we often have Mario Kart sessions together, which is a bit weird.
Just speculating, but with current 3G technology as it is, there is a window of opportunity. Sony could do something similar to directly complete with Apple. Wouldn't it be pretty cool if Sony brought out a rival to the iphone based on PSP technology. I think if that were the case, I'd also take it into consideration.
I love my itouch but the games aren't the greattest, I've had to pwn it to get the stuff on there that I wanted. Mame and a good NES emulator and a decent .flac player. Should have just bought a GP2 Wiz really, it would have been cheaper. But I liked the Apples sleekness and I've always been fond of itunes. :D
I still bet I can McGuyver a 360 to an LCD panel and a car battery at a cheaper cost calling that my portable gaming device. But I suppose Sony's argument then would be that I hadn't any WLan access.
I had a PSP and I have to say that it is in fact a fantastic piece of hardware. I loved to watch some movies on that little screen. The LCD quality is fantastic.
As for games, well, the games are great, but the price... Hum.. 40 Euros for a game? Too much for me.
Because graphics don't matter for me on a handhled, I used to buy PS1 classics on the PS3 store and played those. Cheap and nice games. Now, with classics like FF VII, MGS, RE1 already here or arriving soon, the PSP is getting even more attractive.
Unfortunately I've lost my PSP but I'm planning on getting this new model on xmas time. Don't matter the price.
Early adopters always get screwed, perhaps the consumer has finally realised that a price drop or heaven forbid another revision isn't far off on the horizon. After Sony jacked up the price of the original PSP, and delayed it several months in Europe I decided to just get a DS with Mario Kart. Even though I had my heart set on WipEout.
Over 200 queen sheets for a handheld is ridiculous. I'm still reeling from buying my PS3, which to be honest, I don't really use all that much sadly. I bought an original PSP when they launched and I had it less than a couple of months before I sold it since all it did was collect dust, and it looks terrible all dusty! I love the idea of DD games but it's still just a PSP. Where is the touch screen, the tilt functions, the second, fucking awful nub? They should have just cut their loses with the PSP and announce the PSP2 with the features everyone would expect in this day and age. I bet the big wigs at Apple and Nintendo are completely indifferent to the PSPGo! because it seems like no threat whatsoever and another misstep for poor Sony.
But, it is all about the games. I bought a PS3 for Little Big Planet. Will I be able to resist the PSP version? I doubt it....
That price is more than what the 360 costs. In terms of quality and quantity of software you're better off picking up a 360.