Sega's Valkyria Chronicles was never expected to be a huge hit in the U.S.--Japanese tactical RPGs aren't exactly lighting up the charts these days.
Nevertheless, pockets of gamers admired the stylish PS3 exclusive for its unique look and interesting mix of real-time and turn-based tactics. Those fans might like to know that the game sold just 33K units in the U.S. during November, according to NPD Group.
NPD's David Riley told Edge the game didn't manage to crack the top 100 game SKUs for November, whose software sales roster was ruled by titles including World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, Gears of War 2, Wii Fit and Call of Duty: World at War.
Valkyria Chronicles released on November 4 in the U.S. The title first shipped in Japan in late April, where it performed much better, shifting 77K units in its first week. It debuted at number three behind blockbusters Mario Kart Wii and Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G, according to Media Create.
But in a U.S. shopping season that included such commercial heavy-hitters, it's no surprise that this uncommon title was lost in the shuffle.
The problem is you need to go in to the demo with an open mind, people are quick to just say this is crap, as I did the first time. I skipped through the instructions so I didn't really understand what the game wanted from me. But one day when I got bored I decided to give it another chance, but that time with an open mind, and I found the game-play authentic and addicting, so I decided to pick it up because of the second play on the demo.It's got great anime styled cinematics. Great voice acting in my opinion at least. Great fresh style of game-play, that is extremely like-able. It's not a chop job game. I liked it soo much I just ripped right through it, and for me that's a rarity, normally I'll stop a game forever before I finally finish it unless it is strong enough to keep sucking me back in, which it did just that. By this I mean the plot was just as addictive as the game-play at least to me. Not to get cheesy on you all, but any fan of rpgs if they went into the game with an open mind could find a place for the game in their hearts and on their shelves. It has a lot of likability, It really is a new style of rpg unlike anything I've played but just as rewarding as any other style of game, and for it to fly under the radar and because of that not to be made a regular style of game i think would be a loss to me and a loss to rpg gamers as a whole, originality like this should be embraced to show the developers if they try something new that there are a lot of open-minded gamers out there willing to accept new approaches to game creations. Otherwise the developers will stay on the beaten path, which is okay sometimes, but it's nice to see a fresh breath of air such as this game in all of it's entirety
This comes to me with no surprise at all.
Wrong time to release this game, but even if it were released in March 09, it would not sell that well. This is a strategic RPG, and the major number of gamers just don't like this kind of game.
I haven't picked up yet because the demo didn't attracted me. But only because it has great reviews and people tend to say it is really good, I'm gonna pick up next year when game releases are slow.
Simply put, this is a case of releasing a game at the wrong time. I bought the game just because of the demo, but have yet to break into it because of the flood of other games right now.
This is a great and needed game for the PS3. Just maybe if Sega would have waited till Feb.09, to release it would have sold better, and still may, if the Game stores are not in a rush to dump it in the bargain bin, which typically they are. I was hoping that by buying it on day one, would show support for the style of game play, even if I can't get to it till much later down the road.
I am always at a loss of understanding, why some companies throw games out at the Holidays, simply hoping people will buy it, because they are impulse shopping. Some great games always get lost at the Holidays, because of the onslaught and avalanche of games. Sega may simply be trying to get their sales in within the fourth quarter.
Yes it is a SRPG, so it does have a niche, but sometimes it is nice to turn to a game like this. I hope more people will give this genre a try, because it is certainly a nice addition to the type of games out there, and is certainly a genre that is very limited on the PS3, but I am hoping more will follow, and this from an American :)
Personally, I skipped this because, yes, my pile of unplayed games is already so high. Based on the demo it's absolutely stylish, and fun, but for me not a must have to be going up against games like Gears of War 2, Fallout 3, Little Big Planet, and now Persona 4. The uniqueness of this game is almost entirely down to the beautiful graphics (the first person gimmick is just that), and that's just not enough when I've already played so damn many turn based SRPGs in my life.
I'm sure someone will now make a stupid crack about GoW2 and uniqueness, but the intensity is sufficient to sell it for me - it's no more 'just another FPS' than Uncharted was 'just Tomb Raider.'
I'm sure I'll end up playing VC later, when the lull hits.
Does anyone think offering a demo would have improved sales for this title? I realize it is a niche title with limited potential regardless, but I've often wondered if Sony couldn't help themselves by requiring demos at least on all PSN games (like 360 does for XBLA and XNA) and pressuring publishers like Sega to release demos for retail games like this one. Of course in this case the decision is up to Sega, but I think this could help the PS3's attach rate in general.
There are many games I have purchased (primarily on XBLA) that I would never have picked up without trying them first.
As noted, there was a demo... however it didn't really do a good job of selling anything but the graphics and combat mechanics. There could be a great plot and dialogue in the game, but if there is you'd never know it from the demo.
There is a Ps3 demo it was release in October i think or two weeks before its release. It lets you play one battle which took me 30mins to beat .
Silly me - I missed yet. I'll have to check if it's still available to give it a try. If it's anything like Jeanne D'Arc on PSP I'll have to pick it up in a few weeks when it inevitably hits the discount rack.
It is sad that such a fantastic game has not done so well . . . or for that matter, not done well at all. Thirty-three thousand copies is abysmal by any standard.
I personally do not own the game (yet). I have a strict rule of only owning three unfinished games at any one time. This allows me to actually beat all the games that I purchase. However, I have played the demo, and a co-worker has the game, and we have played it some on the PS3 in the office break room during lunch hour. So I most certainly appreciate what Sega WOW has done with this game, and it is most certainly on my short list of "must buy" titles. All the same, it is still sad to actually see the game perform so dismally at retail.
Which leads us to what I think are the core problems why Valkyria Chronicles has sold like crap in the first place:
This gen, the RPG console is beyond the shadow of any doubt, the Xbox 360. To host any form of RPG, be it Western RPG or Japanese RPG, exclusively on any other console, is tantamount to suicide. It's no different than hosting a shooter on the wrong console.
And as if to prove my point, Haze, Unreal Tournament 3 and now Resistance 2, all shooters, all initially exclusive to PS3 (a console largely unassociated with shooters), and consequently, all failed miserably in sells. Had they all been exclusive on the right system, they all would have likely enjoyed million-seller status. Lesson for 3rd parties - best to chose a lot more carefully where you put your exclusive titles, or go multi-console and call it a day.
Your logic is a bit off. I'm sure the game would have sold poorly on either console because it is a STRATEGY rpg and those have been doing pretty poorly this gen. Disgaea 3 anyone? Also, where is Tales of Vesperia in the top 10? That was an exclusive 360 RPG.
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Long posts don't translate to intelligent ones.
tales was in the top ten
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/08/15/tales-of-vesperia-cracks-top-ten...
Three exclusive 360 RPGs were released around the same time as Valkyria (Infinite Undiscovery, Tales of Vesperia, Last Remnant). They all sold around 40k in the first month in the US. Valkyria Chronicles has come close to that, even though the X360's market share is about double that of the PS3 in the US. The lack of sales of Valkyria Chronicles has nothing to do with the console, it is because the strategy/RPG market is a niche market.
FYI Resistance 2 is outpacing sales of the first Resistance game, which has sold something like 3 million units, about half of which were in the US. Its not Halo or Gears, but that's hardly "failing miserably."
Valkyria Chronicles isn't selling badly considering the environment unto which it's releasing. The original Wild ARMs sold badly because it was only a hint ahead of Final Fantasy VII. This is a busy holiday season peppered with many highly profiled games, VC is not one of them. I'm sure VC will do well in the long run. I bought it on day one and I love it. SEGA put a lot of thought into it's development and I'm sure they'll do just fine.
Invader Phlegm, for your number 1 point, I doubt it was because it wasn't released on the 360. Both Tales of Vesperia and Infinite Undiscovery completely bombed in America. It failed to chart in the NPD's and 1up said that ToV only sold 35k.. I think it was just released at the wrong time.
I would have picked this up if they had released it on the 360.
Are you saying you have a ps3 and wont pick it up because its not on 360?
I have a 360. As nice as PS3s are, I do not own one, and won't have money to buy one for some time. Most of the games I want to play come out on the 360, so it's not really a big deal, but it would have been nice to see this hit 360 as well as PS3.
agreed...
I bet ...most people have special 360 that can allow them to play special games for free. I'm glad it was for the ps3 only i think it would've hurt their sells more if it was on the 3shitty. ( i own both systems)
"I bet ...most people have special 360 that can allow them to play special games for free."
What the hell does that even mean? Also, you say you own a 360, yet call it "3shitty". Why do you own a system you think is a piece of garbage? Saying "3shitty" makes it sound like you're trolling.
thats an interesting way of thinking, releasing on both systems would decrease sales.
same here, that game looked very interesting. I got last remnant though and very much enjoying it. The most dissapointing aspect of the games performance is that its kinda saying those kind of games are not wanted and its my favourite genre by far.
I think Sega fumbled a bit as well, as they seem to have underestimated the initial demand. I tried to buy it when it came out, but it was sold out at all the local stores. I asked the clerk at Gamespot about it and he said they only received a few copies, which sold out quickly. A week later I still couldn't find it, so ended up buying Resistance 2, and later LBP. I might pick up VC once I finish those two, but who knows if I'll remember about it by then.
Strategy/RPG games are always a niche market though. A game like VC, which is supposedly amazing, still doesn't have much of a chance against mainstream titles like R2 or Gears 2.
Sega should put it on Wii. The Fire Emblem crowd would gobble it up.
I love the Wii, but the console wouldn't be able to do VC justice from a graphics standpoint. The CANVAS engine is beautiful on PS3.
True. But SEGA could scale it back and make it work on the Wii. Besides, being an SRPG, the gameplay is the star of the show, not the CANVAS engine.
I realize that, but STILL; I love me some pseudo-hand drawn 3D. :)
I don't know why these publishers can't figure out that niche games like this need to ship during non-Holiday Season to have a chance.
Japanese companies usually do a poor job marketing their product to non-JRPG consumers. The bottom-line is that they resist change and think it's ok to market to US gamers the same way they market internally to Japanese consumers.
Yet another sad victim of the holiday launch window. So, how many casualties will there have to be before publishers recognize the folly of their strategy?
I would have loved to play this game if it had not been a PS3 exclusive.
definitely poor marketing is partially responsible for it's poor sales. how can sony expect to sell games if it doesn't buy advertising space?
the game is good, i got it the first day it came out. it's one of the reasons why i'm playing the ps3 far more than the xbox 360, at the moment.
It's needs more gay space marines.
Truth is Americans would rather play meatheaded games like Gears, Halo, Resistance, etc than games like Valkyria Chronicles. It's no wonder the 360 is doing so well in that country as most of the games on the system are shooters, shooters, shooters and more shooters.
Philip K Dick was right, American people are anti-intellectual. In other words, their not interested in games of idea!
"Truth is Americans would rather play meatheaded games...Philip K Dick was right, American people are anti-intellectual. In other words, their not interested in games of idea!"
@ Wall_E
This is honestly a very ignorant thing to say, and I would like to see you make statements like this whilst using your REAL NAME on this website, like you are supposed to.
Americans buy games in every genre, especially RPG's, the respect that JRPGs have in America may be diminished, but you need not blame Americans for not buying a game that was released with poor timing and little marketing.
Where do you think the rise of the western RPG came from? The west, with titles like Mass Effect & Fallout 3 garnering huge sales in America.
And dear Wall_E why don't you tell us where you are from, hmm? Are you so much better than people who do not play RPGs while enjoying their hobby of gaming?
No you are not, the short answer is that you are more like the people you brand ignorant for making flawed statements such as this.
And no Wall_e I'm not American, sorry.
And now we know why Wall_E hates the 360 and MS.
Maybe if Japanese developers stopped releasing games with spiky haired, effeminate protagonists carrying huge swords (what are they compensating for?) and a grinding heavy metal soundtrack they would find a bigger audience in America. Stereotypes work both ways, Wall_E.
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And now we know why Wall_E hates the 360 and MS.
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Stop talking nonsense. I don't "hate" the 360 or MS as you bluntly put it.
The games the 360 host just don't interest me. That's all.
I think it's funny the entire reason why I decided to buy a 360 November 2007 over a PS3 was due to Microsoft securing Mistwalker. See, I do play and enjoy JPN RPGs and tRPGs and, guess what, the 360 is the only console so far this gen that houses most of the latest and greatest. I didn't want to have to go to Microsoft but I was left with no other choice and, believe it or not, I've been enjoying my stay on the console despite my reservations about "that shooter console." I own BioShock, Halo 3 and Lost Planet. Those are the only "shooters" I own on the console. The other 35 games I own so far for the system are completely different types of games. For your perusal:
Amped 3
Assassin’s Creed
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Beautiful Katamari
BioShock
Blue Dragon
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Call of Juarez
Culdcept SAGA
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Dead Rising
Devil May Cry 4
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - Game of the Year Edition
Eternal Sonata
Fable II
Fallout 3
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Guitar Hero World Tour
Halo 3
Infinite Undiscovery
Just Cause
The Last Remnant
Lost Odyssey
Lost Planet: Extreme Conditions - Colonies Edition
Namco Museum Virtual Arcade
Operation Darkness
The Orange Box
Rumble Roses Double X
SEGA Superstars Tennis
Sid Meier’s Civilization Revolution
Spectral Force 3
Tomb Raider: Anniversary
Too Human
Virtua Fighter 5 Online
Viva Pinata
Xbox Live Arcade Collection
Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged Volume 1
Zoids Assault
That is total BS.
You made a completely BS crack about American gamers not liking "intellectual" games like RPGs, instead all they want is shooters.
You further insinuate that you are above all us dumb Americans, because of your love for the more intellectually-based RPGs.
Then go on to state you do not like the Xbox 360 because, "The games the 360 host just don't interest me."
Yet in reality, not only does the 360 have a propensity for those shooters all us "anti-intellectual" Americans crave so much, but the 360 also happens to be the reigning champ this generation for your precious RPGs. Not just the superior [subjective statement on my part] Western-based RPGs, but also the 360 is the clear console to own this gen if you are into the more traditional jRPGs.
Starting with Enchanted Arms and Oblivion (back in the winter 2006) all the way up until Fallout 3 and Fable 2, and even into the future with releases like Star Ocean 4 and Final Fantasy 13, the Xbox 360 is host to damned near every major RPG release this generation - most of them Xbox 360 exclusives.
So the question is, if you are supposedly an intellectual loving RPG fan who's better than all us dumb Americans, what kinds of intellectually-based games are the other consoles supposed to offer that the 360 supposedly does not offer, that makes the 360 such an uninteresting system?
It can't be the intellectually superior RPGs. There are more RPGs on the 360 than on all other current-gen consoles combined. And remarkably enough, those RPGs are selling well on the 360 . . . much better than they are on the PS3 or Wii . . . or even DS and PSP for that matter.
Solution: Bring it to 360! I'll buy it!
and i really haven't heard of this game outside a random episode of X-Play. awareness is virtually zero. I had to investigate myself to find out if it was worthwhile or not...and it certainly seems so. Too bad it's on the PS3 only right now.
Japanese RPG's are largely DONE in the US. Its becoming niche. Well... turn based fighting is getting boring.
FF XIII , how good it will be reviewed , i suspect will not sell that well also
Japan is getting behind in modern rpg developping.
White night chronicles may change that
I do not think the "poor" sales of Valkyria Chronicles have to do anything with turn based fighting - especially not in a game like this which frankly would not work as well if they decided to make the action real time. Whether it's getting boring is a matter of opinion - I respectfully disagree. White Knight Chronicles does look very interesting though - and I do think it's a good game to bridge the wait until FF13 arrives. I do think, however, that this game will sell well - especially since it's the first FF on a new console...
How many rpg's that you can name that was released in usa and was good.
Mass Effect, KOTOR, Fable II, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were all excellent RPG's that did very well.
My bad if i wasn't clear.
FF13 and white knights are ps3 titles -since this topic is about a ps3 game i was only referring to ps3 rpg titles.Fallout and Oblivion is on both systems so they really don't count also since oblivion came to the ps3 way after the 360 version its just a hand me down. im just wanna know rpg's exclusive to the ps3 that are usa release and "good"
Ah. Yes, in that case there really is a dearth of good PS3 RPG games. Ironic how 360 has become home of the RPG this generation while Sony derisively refers to 360 as the "shooter box" (even though PS3 has a higher percentage of shooters on it's system and lower percentage of RPG's). Eternal Sonata was a 360 port but is a very good RPG now available on PS3.
And it came out when there's 5-8 big titles already out. There are a few other games that probably would have sold much better if they didn't come out around the same time. With Gears, Fallout, Fable, CoD, Resistance, LBP (almost all sequels as you pointed out) among some other games all coming out around the same time, games like Mirrors Edge, Prince of Persia, Far Cry 2, are having a harder time finding an audience. I think if they would have come out during slower months (and there were def some slow months this year) they most likely would have done a lot better.
They say that games that come out during the summer months don't do so well but we've seen how some other games (GTAIV, Bioshock, Oblivion) have fared well during traditionally slower months, why couldn't these other games? That obviously brings up a totally different subject altogether. But as you said, it’s unfortunate when critically acclaimed games have relatively poor sales due to blockbuster sequels (never played Valkyria Chronicles, but from what I read it’s a solid game deserving of decent sales).
WOW. This is such a great game unfortunately it had to come out where sequels typically rule.