I'm an art student, 4th year and specialised in painting. I'm also playing games and more so reading about it a lot. Yesterday I watched the Incredibles for the 2nd time. To me this is very much a product of commercial thought. Aimed to please kids and families. Easy to pick up, not confronting you with anything or trying to learn you something. But somehow, just like Wall - E, there seemed to be a profound perfection about this movie. So I watched the making of and all the extra's, To my suprise besides the music and the obvious sketching you do for this kind of movie some of it actually originated from beautifull paper cut outs. So my point? Not really any maybe. Just saying this aint art but it's sure as hell is creative, witty and innovative.
So games that are art? Hardly any full lives up to this premise. Rez comes to mind, Tetris in a way. Often parts of games are arty, like the new Prince of Persia look but nothing else about this game. I also feel that something like Super Mario Galaxy or Little Big planet is a bit art like, not the visual design, though great, but the gameplay, offering people truly new experiences just must be art.
Then there is Shenmue, as much as you can criticise this game. It's my favourite, both of them, especially the whole adventure from 1 untill the end of 2. So is shenmue art? I think yes, in a very classic way. It's not like modern art at all, it's art in that it tried so hard and succeeded quite well in recreating reality. The backgrounds, the characters, the animation and the detail. It was way beyond it's own time and even though our games are technically way beyond shenmue now, they never again have come so far in recreating the world we live in (maybe heavy rain will for a bit). Not even GTA 4, which i think also has to do with the perspective and the content. Yoú have a standard camera view that just doesn't feel like a realistic experience and the actual gameplay is far to spectacular and 'videogamie' to compete. Cause that something else shenmue did, in made you perform ordinarie tasks, it made you ask people the way and talk to your mother, you know?
I think that art oftentimes is a one men or woman accomplishment, games rarely are. Sure there's Braid and there is good old Jordan Mechner (or something) but they are the exception.
Do I want games to be more like art. It depends, too me games are in a different place than other media. Games are still growing towards the point of creating a perfect illusion, even if many develepors take a detour from that, this is essentialy what the technology is growing towards. Once we've reached that point, things will change. I just wished more developers would really take the steps towards creating something as truly immersive as shenmue, something more believable than the last thing is always a thrill to me and creating games more like an experience set in a world we know doing stuff that's not ridicolous (like killing everyone all the time) is what would make this industry more mature.
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What I truly truly hate in games is that epic (f)art style with the giant pumped up morons in space arm suits
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I'm an art student, 4th year and specialised in painting. I'm also playing games and more so reading about it a lot. Yesterday I watched the Incredibles for the 2nd time. To me this is very much a product of commercial thought. Aimed to please kids and families. Easy to pick up, not confronting you with anything or trying to learn you something. But somehow, just like Wall - E, there seemed to be a profound perfection about this movie. So I watched the making of and all the extra's, To my suprise besides the music and the obvious sketching you do for this kind of movie some of it actually originated from beautifull paper cut outs. So my point? Not really any maybe. Just saying this aint art but it's sure as hell is creative, witty and innovative.
So games that are art? Hardly any full lives up to this premise. Rez comes to mind, Tetris in a way. Often parts of games are arty, like the new Prince of Persia look but nothing else about this game. I also feel that something like Super Mario Galaxy or Little Big planet is a bit art like, not the visual design, though great, but the gameplay, offering people truly new experiences just must be art.
Then there is Shenmue, as much as you can criticise this game. It's my favourite, both of them, especially the whole adventure from 1 untill the end of 2. So is shenmue art? I think yes, in a very classic way. It's not like modern art at all, it's art in that it tried so hard and succeeded quite well in recreating reality. The backgrounds, the characters, the animation and the detail. It was way beyond it's own time and even though our games are technically way beyond shenmue now, they never again have come so far in recreating the world we live in (maybe heavy rain will for a bit). Not even GTA 4, which i think also has to do with the perspective and the content. Yoú have a standard camera view that just doesn't feel like a realistic experience and the actual gameplay is far to spectacular and 'videogamie' to compete. Cause that something else shenmue did, in made you perform ordinarie tasks, it made you ask people the way and talk to your mother, you know?
I think that art oftentimes is a one men or woman accomplishment, games rarely are. Sure there's Braid and there is good old Jordan Mechner (or something) but they are the exception.
Do I want games to be more like art. It depends, too me games are in a different place than other media. Games are still growing towards the point of creating a perfect illusion, even if many develepors take a detour from that, this is essentialy what the technology is growing towards. Once we've reached that point, things will change. I just wished more developers would really take the steps towards creating something as truly immersive as shenmue, something more believable than the last thing is always a thrill to me and creating games more like an experience set in a world we know doing stuff that's not ridicolous (like killing everyone all the time) is what would make this industry more mature.
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